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posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 12:05 PM
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duff, the kind of persons you speak of, if they are projecting 'something' sinister toward upon you, shall be stopped soon enough by certain settings beyond them that shall take course.

Those projecting evil are captured in the sense you can notice (by the sun from an energy perspective since they have an abominable contral over energy). And you can see in what sense they are captured for (being an evil entity of evil 'intent') and are bound for (the sun).

I tell you, duff, the enemies of that kind are already gotten because they themselves have been fore gotten. They be the entities of hell that are bound for hell in greater depth. For now they can think they cant be caught while even defruading you and your claim in doing so.

I tell you also, that if you were to kill one, at least their human body, it would be as though they, as sick they themself be, wanted it. But the joke would be on them because they cant go out of existence (they can only wish that as a fantasy) and will take on the hell they are doomed of in greater depth.

The evil enitities, self wise, will be forced into repentence rather than prayed into repentence since their praying has been only of evil hypocrisy. They will feel sorry while in torments and kept from the evil. Sorry, as in, sorry for being caught and convicted and sentenced into life everlasting into everlasting punishment.

[edit on 14-2-2005 by Sign Related 2]




posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 12:05 PM
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Thanks Margie

Love you girl

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 01:04 PM
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Vantu replies :

"Woww.... heck, you made your reply!"

Ye-es, it was me that began this thread. You chose to read it, and then you chose of your own free will to take what I wrote in a false-context, so you could reply to me not-according to what I had in fact typed. See my original thread-starter, and what you quoted out of it and what you chose to write in reply to your out-of-context quote.

"You have raised so many questions, that I must not answer you because you would turn those valueable informations right against me."


Um no thingy, if you look over the thread thus far you'll plainly see that it is you who openly and mockingly has twisted and distorted what I wrote. You turned my words against me, in a liar way, exactly as the evils that I began this thread to help destroy, operate. Do you think that if you chose to excise sections of my post that those sections will somehow disappear from what I originally wrote?! If not, then why do your types think that you can do that and go un-noticed, including thinking that you can change the reality of who authored the posts that you reply to?!


"But I strongly believe, that you will get to know things when time comes,"

What things is this that you think you know about, that you cannot just type here and prove that you know anything that you hint at, that you are so sure that I have no awareness of?

What are your strong beliefs there based upon?

"until that you just keep struggling with your evil and hostile image of that particular person. Anyway, you cannot do anything else, that's for sure."


I don't call having to phone the police about harassments, and filing an assault charge, to be "my image" of anything. The police botched up the whole 'investigation' they were meant to do - they claimed the shop had erased their CCTV footage of what went on outside the store (by law, that is not allowed), they "co-incidently" also sent out police who tried to blame me in an extremely hostile and confrontational manner after I phoned them to come around to where I live because my father went nuts and broke my thumb.
Lawyers advised me that I was well within my rights to request required information from the police as to this harasser etc, so that I could obtain an 'interdict' (their term) to make it official that he was some kind of stalker, who had approached me with intent to make as much trouble for me as possible, without any seeming cause or reason. The police somehow were able to not operate in line with the law on that point either.

I think you need to take a serious look into your personal motivations for the way you chose to reply to me there, as you seem to be mistaking imagined hostilities for what are at best, stalkers with extreme social and / or mental problems.

"I have no reason to prove you the opposite, because the way you react to just about any reply."

What one-single-type of reaction would that be? Got any links to prove that? Bear in mind that there are an actual amount of posts that I have written on these forums, and that out of all of those many posts, I have replied maybe 8 times maximum to someone making trouble, as you have chosen to do on this thread. You have some kind of emotional problem or perhaps a learning difficulty, try to sort your head out before you go pretending that cut-ups are something you can do to other people's posts before you go about replying to them.

You might also wish to shed some light as to why those insane people think they know me, since you appear to have the same inner-unspoken-of beliefs as to how I am involved in your life? Any of you many mad stalker types ever going to manage to think thru this whole 'thing' you seem to have going on inside your minds as to who I am to you - ie, who told you about whatever it is, don't you think that perhaps what you wish was true -


"But I strongly believe, that you will get to know things when time comes,"


is just someone's idea of a prank? some ''montauk project'' mind-control bit of fun to make you have ingrained ideas about other people who can only guess wildy as to what possible fantasy-island-adventures you are trying so hard to make them think they were ever involved in, but whose lives nontheless are so badly affected by your stupidities that they take great pains to find out just what your projective-problems are?

Here's your chance to prove that you want things to work, well. How about you explain that for us all, who have been waiting for so many years to find out who you people are and how you have come to associate yourselves with others that you do not know, in any capacity :


here's my guess -

you are involved in some form of occult-group membership, who has told you some things, you believe those things, those things that you believe involve me in some capacity.

Taking it further, my guess would be -

you think that I am someone you know, from some kind of past life or / and another incarnation.

Don't any of you that are doing that stuff know that - just going by what I post about and the way I have lived my life thus far (depends on how evil you are, to be so aware of such private matters) - that anything I have been, or still am in some way, involved with -

those things you are trying to make it seem like you know a lot about, but provide only the vauguest of evidence for -

doesn't involve anyone that thinks as you do, nor anyone that would chose to reply to me, and to react to me, in the manner that you do.

Doesn't it occur to you that I am nothing at all like you, and as such would not have ever been involved in those 'secret' things that you wish me to be embroiled in that involve you. I have never replied to someone the way you have to me here - not like you. I certainly do not shout at random strangers in the street and have never so much as tried to intimidate anyone, including when I have been in large groups of people, who I either did not know or was just walking by, or basicly anyone that I didn't have some previous kind of entaglement with - and that doesn't happen with me either.


I don't think any of you have thought thru those beliefes you have that involve me - such as, if you were to articulate them in a post-reply here for example, would they make any sense at all? Or, would you suddenly realise what you should have figured out about it all along. You should source when and where you first got those ideas and beliefs from, use the same sort of criteria that a psychologist or a psychiatrist would use, or even a lawyer, to determine whether or not a thing indeed took place.

I think it could be that you are one of those people that can't tell the difference between thoughts and verbal-spoken, those are two very different things. Even worse could be if you can't tell the diff. between your thoughts, and those of other people - consider the damage you will be doing to those other people, just by listening in on their minds. You wouldn't read someone else's diary would you, and think that because you can read it, that then means that you must have written it?! Or that the events transcribed happened to you?



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 01:23 PM
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Another one to consider -

perhaps what you think that I do not know,

which if I found it out would somehow make various things 'ok',

is not known be me precisely because whoever told you about it knows full well that if they told someone like me those kinds of things, that I would laugh at them, not fall for any of it, and be very much prepared to ask them a whole load of questions that would very quickly determine that they had no idea as to what they were talking about, had imagined it all at best, and that they have some kind of sick obsessiveness going on, that sort of grew into an elaborate fantasy involving the grail or saving the world or going back in time or forward in time, or some kind of thing like that - anything that can't be proven and isn't straightforward and applicable to reality.

I'll warn you in advance that there's a strong possibility that one of the elaborate psycho-worlds that seems to be believed in by many, involves some bloke who is making loads of people think that me&him are 'together' in some way, but - yep, you might well guess it - he is the one that turned me down, many times over. I don't care or anything, as I think I was wrong to like him anyway and I was probably just not aware of what he was up to, he certainly was some kind of 'node' of everything wrong that ever was. When I was visiting him, he'd introduce me to all kinds of people whom I later found out had some very strange information as to who I was and why I was down that way visiting him.



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by duff beer dragon
What things is this that you think you know about, that you cannot just type here and prove that you know anything that you hint at, that you are so sure that I have no awareness of?


I think, you are aware of everything, but you simply just cannot believe what you see... or you don't want to believe what you see. That's the real problem.

So far, you have not proven to be ready for answers. Yet, you still ask for questions. Now, how is this? Why give you an answer, if you simply cannot handle that? That's what I see now for a very long time, regarding you.



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by duff beer dragon
I'll warn you in advance that there's a strong possibility that one of the elaborate psycho-worlds that seems to be believed in by many, involves some bloke who is making loads of people think that me&him are 'together' in some way, but - yep, you might well guess it - he is the one that turned me down, many times over. I don't care or anything, as I think I was wrong to like him anyway and I was probably just not aware of what he was up to, he certainly was some kind of 'node' of everything wrong that ever was.


I think, he knows that very well. You know, certain situations that are new to the entire human community, a social behaviour that has never been explored, comes with right/wrong mixed up. Therefore, you cannot state, that particular person has let you down many times, as this is a learning process by either side. Just try to look into how much hard time you have caused for him, and there comes the big difference right against your side.

Therefore, it is quite interesting to me, that you keep stating your own struggling he caused for you, yet you forget what you did to him. Is this fair?! Furthermore, I believe you excepted far more impact against you and your little secret, but what you recieved, is worth a fortune. So think before you feel sorry for your own self!



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 02:15 PM
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this is how i see the whole energy vampire thing
we are all trying to keep or raise our vibration/energy level...
when we dont have that high we try to rob it from others..

it effects our bodies..fight or flight..something that happened to us when we are younger how are body reacted..is rememberd by the body..when we are in similar situations..the body reacts..and we are filled with pain or whatever it may be..
there are so many control dramas everyone is involved with and most of it is subconscious..un a awre...
there is the instegator and the poor me etc...etc..
i see the power struggles and control dramas all around me...i am learning now to remain unattached and able to communicate with others with out feeding their drama or attacking them..
it is difficult to practice..
keep your energy to yourself..the best you can...
this may work..imagine a pyramid around you..or imagine yourself invisible...dont take other peoples stuff personelly is the best we can try to do



posted on Feb, 15 2005 @ 02:50 AM
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on this planet all humans are hunters,everybody becomes prey.you have a certain amount of energy.to survive and to grow,you have to aquire more energy,wherever there is energy,whoever has it,you require it and by instinct you will try to take it.
the hunter is a stalker
a warrior is a stalker,when you become the stalker you become the hunter,which means the warrior is the hunter whohunts power.
you wil stalk each of your emotions and every word that comes from your mouth.
once you beginn stalking,you will learn to live in absolute freedom
stalking is a quest for transformation.
on this quest every action thought and spoken wordtakes on significance..

become impeccable..you become impeccable when you relize,that all you do isan act of power for which you are responsible
in order to be impeccable you need to stop spreading poisonous emotions or accepting them fro outside yourself



posted on Feb, 15 2005 @ 10:59 AM
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Once again, Vantu gives yet another reply that has no connection to actual reality at all, and in which he or she merely displays the traits that grey aliens are accused of using on humans -

making groundless suggestions to them,

that are not able to be explained at all -

that's why Vantu wants me to think - again! even tho' I dissected his lies and emotional abuse attempts in my previous replies - it still believes that it is allowed to ignore facts and truths and to invent lies to base it's replies to me upon -

- wants me to think that it knows anything of worth ....

it doesn't. It uses that mind-control thing that some material says is something that grey aliens use on humans - they don't have any idea as to what they are implying that they have any knowledge of, but - they suspect that those they address are aware of such things.

Vantu has no clue, and is hoping to get a clue off of me in the laziest most unevolved manner that there is.

Vantu also would like to keep abusing the occult in the same way that evil humans abuse animals that they think (wrongly) that they are superior to or think that they know more than them,

this is why he or she again believes that their invented make-believe as to this mental-patient attacker / stalker and the types of peoples associated with such false astral-projected beliefs, have any chance of being true.

Vantu has clearly once again kidded themselves on that I am typing in another language here, just so's they can avoid having to reply to What Is Actually Written,

for starters they have admitted having some kind of external knowledge about the situation I am describing, to the extent that they think it is a normal thing - for complete hostile strangers, or sick evil family members for that matter, to imagine that they have associations to other people and to act upon those imaginings as if they have ever occured in a reality outwith the mind of the stalker.

Vantu seems convinced here, based on no evidence at all being presented, that they know exactly whom I am typing about, and the exact history of why the things I am typing about wish to be, or think that they ever had, any connection to me.

This is a typical mind-control tactic. The idea behind it is to make my imagination fill in all the gaps that Vantu's 'explanations' and 'suggestions' leave wide open to interpretation. The idea is that I will place the energy-vampires in my mind as real peoples whom I have soul connections to, this will then be used by those energy-vampires (of which Vantu is obviously one of) to enter into my reality and make some kind of room for themselves, using my belielfs that they are really connected to me, to give them lifeforce and the ability to exist in the first place.

The life-cycle of their parasitism of humans and other real beings.

That is why it is a parasitism that is applied to greys - if people can be convinced of lies, their minds will permit the liar-scenarios to exist, as if those scenarios have a right to be there. It is similar to how some animals, though very intelligent in most respects, are easily fooled by exploitation of their nature to do work for some humans.

So, let us see if their next attempt at soul-pollution and mind-control will be to continue in the same way, or if they will be able to evolve and adapt to new information.

I don't think they are able to adapt, I think they can only behave as 'ROM' aliens behave ('ROM' aliens are described in old UFO Reality magazine articles, the ones about and by TUMI, in short they cannot use any info. except that which is 'preloaded' into them. It explains here for example how come Vantu does not take into account my replies in order to reply again to me, they just reply as if what I have typed back did not exist. It is because they are not able to learn.).

If they can learn, use new information, then the next reply if there is one will address what has already been covered here, and will not merely try the same tactic again. The next reply, if there is going to be one, will not merely suggest that Vantu knows something about the situation, it will go into more detail as to what that situation is percieved to be from Vantu's point of view, and will display signs outright of wishing to clear up any non-understandings and in general to make everything crystal-clear with no room at all for any misgivings or false information or misunderstandings as to what it is in fact about.

There might even be a coherent story there - when and how did what Vantu's knows about in regard to me, begin? What outcomes rest upon it's resolution? Who and what else is being affected by it, and in what way? Even if it is insane and completely unreasonable - what would Vantu's people like for me to do, and how would I go about contacting them on that. What exactly is it that they are waiting for, or expect to take place, and how does it involve me?



posted on Feb, 15 2005 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by duff beer dragon
Vantu seems convinced here, based on no evidence at all being presented, that they know exactly whom I am typing about, and the exact history of why the things I am typing about wish to be, or think that they ever had, any connection to me.

It explains here for example how come Vantu does not take into account my replies in order to reply again to me, they just reply as if what I have typed back did not exist.

What exactly is it that they are waiting for, or expect to take place, and how does it involve me?


I think, it's all because Vertu is way too lazy to reply all that bull, which is worth nothing. However, selected lines from your posts do hold your current emotional status, something you cannot hide, because you can't even handle that skill.

Furthermore, I'm completely aware of the fact, that you exactly know what's going on, and what to do, or what not to do.

But in your endless dreams, you actually were dreaming of a person who can be easily managed, and will do whatever you tell him to do, without restrictions, and with full faith. It is because you have the least idea of how people think, and actually- that's the kind of person who would stab you in the back, and would let you down.



posted on Feb, 15 2005 @ 08:38 PM
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Is it what others are doing to your soul? or what are you doing to your soul.?
where is the emotional wisdom above?
i feel /not think!what happens to us or before us,is because of what we are reflecting with in..so the world around us attracts and reflects back to us...
lessons and answers find you.

everything that is us ,everything that we allow disallow experience and so forth..is because we make that agreement..
learn how to control the dream.

i seen an awful lot of iresponsabilty above
what are you doing to YOUR energy body?



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 08:52 AM
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Yep, proven right yet again by replies of complete ignorance and new-age-religious-belief-fundamentalists........

Vantu is so happy to have jumped into replying here in the first place, yet is once more singularaly unable to summons any sort of response. Funny that - to come to a forum to read a post that you find important enough to reply to, what is that - about 4 times now - but have yet to in fact address any of the points raised in what the actual thread is about. Again - exact same as the way that Grey aliens are said to behave in some books - suggest things that I am supposed to know about, never stating quite what those things might be, and hope that it upsets me emotionally to the extent that I would believe that I would imagine any opposition to myself into existence.....

Vantu also wants me to be responsible for his or her free-will choice to continue to challenege me so weakly in this thread. I am in no way responsible for bringing such morons into existence, and I certainly have nothing within me that could produce such evils that behave nothing like myself.

Vantu says,


I think, it's all because Vertu is way too lazy to reply all that bull, which is worth nothing. However, selected lines from your posts do hold your current emotional status, something you cannot hide, because you can't even handle that skill.


Reply? More like you haven't read it and have just been sent to this thread to harass me, exactly as the scum this thread is about were sent my way to harass me.

My emotional status is fine. I'm not the one with the mental illness problem that attacks other people because my psychic stuff is all out of kilter because I have been spying on people and stalking them. If you try reading what I wrote you'll see that I describe emotionally abusive haters with massive problems. Your writing proves you are nothing but an emotional 4D drama milker - you use untruths and lies that you say or write about other people so that they produce emotions based upon reacting to your lies and abuse, this you use to serve your dark occult masters and controllers - the same ones that control you to keep replying to me in this thread is such an ignorant and unsuitable manner.

Please do indicate your qualifications in emotional management, and what I have written here or elsewhere which in context proves that you are fit to assess anything at all about me. Remember that you have not yet managed to reply to anything so asked about that so far in this thread.


Furthermore, I'm completely aware of the fact, that you exactly know what's going on, and what to do, or what not to do.


I already replied to you about this little make-believe you have going about that already, so as you might expect - since you have again chosen not to address that at all - it still stands exactly as it was addressed by me in my previous post in this thread. Still the same questions and statements that remain undisscussed and avoided by you as before.




But in your endless dreams, you actually were dreaming of a person who can be easily managed, and will do whatever you tell him to do, without restrictions, and with full faith. It is because you have the least idea of how people think, and actually- that's the kind of person who would stab you in the back, and would let you down.



My endless dreams? What does that mean? I am not dreaming this, and I sure as hell am not dreaming you at all - you are responsible for your own existnece, you don't come out of me. I tend to dream, like people do, during my sleep. I sleep in a bed, as most people also do. I dream just about every night, and consider dreams a fascinating subject which I haven't really written much about ever. This thread is not about dreams and has nothing to do with dreaming.

Who is it that you are trying to make me think that I dreamed up? One of the bullies or my father? Why would anyone dream up bullies?! Go look at the sorts of threads and posts I like to do here - I'm not interested in having to deal with such morons, hence why I will be as forthcoming about any evils like that which I encounter so as to more quickly remove their types of evil from reality. Bullies are never required.

What is this person you are saying that I am trying to dream up - it sounds like you are describing some kind of blow-up-doll which is somehow animated, like a familiar perhaps? Are you trying to say here that those things are somehow imagined into reality by me, and that I was trying to make slaves? That's what it sounds like you are implying - thing is, I hate people that make slave-things like that. They always go mad and attack people like me who have no connection to them at all.

Maybe you were one or more of the bullies, and you were trying to steal part or all of my soul, to animate someone you were involved with or friends with, or something you made, because you knew that you'd never be able to get close to actual-me?

Please do explain why you think that I was making monsters or whatever, and how exactly did you come to think that was what I was doing. How can you decide that you know such things about me - just from this thread? Or were you reading some other thread or post by me, then you saw this one and you are replying in here about some other different thread?

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me too joins in,


Is it what others are doing to your soul? or what are you doing to your soul.?
where is the emotional wisdom above?
i feel /not think!what happens to us or before us,is because of what we are reflecting with in..so the world around us attracts and reflects back to us...
lessons and answers find you.


They aren't me, didn't you read anything that I wrote before replying?

If I was going to puppet or control anyone, be assured that I would not make them give me abuse or attack me or in any way challenge me or annoy me. Please explain why you think otherwise.

You really shouldn't buy into that garbage about ''the world only reflects what is inside''.........if you think that thru you may discover that it's only logical outcome is this :

there is only one person, and everyone else is a projection of that person's mind.

which is completely insane and obviously not true at all.

What I will say is this - it is meant to be true, I lived by it flawlessly for many years, and found that when I explained it to someone in Bristol I visited in 1998 ( David 'Cas' Elvidge was his name ), - see he was complaining to me the whole time I knew him that people kept on being horrible to him and he hadn't done anything to cause that - I found that whatever it was that was hounding him (which I now know he did cause) tried to attack me also. So I know that a lot of the source of what I describe here comes directly from that guy in Bristol.


everything that is us ,everything that we allow disallow experience and so forth..is because we make that agreement..
learn how to control the dream.

i seen an awful lot of iresponsabilty above
what are you doing to YOUR energy body?


I'm way beyond all that 'control your reality' - consider this information about there being things out there who are only interested in stopping anyone that knows how to control their realities from so doing. That of course should not happen - since if you control then of course you are not going to manifest anyone or anything that would try to oppose you. See? I know I didn't manifest them, I know they are breaching a serious universal law to be able to get around what I make for myself - that's why I wrote this post.

To find out what such things are using in the last few years or so to be able to know who is doing the 'make your own reality' thing, and then to use their version of that to stop other people. It's a very serious evil, mostly because if you are aware that others do that - as I have been aware about others doing such for many years, then you would not try to ruin their thing. That's why I am here writing about this appearance of some types of things who use their abilities to interfere with others abilities -

that shouldn't be able to happen.

So, what are they doing to the soul and / or the energy body to be able to have gotten the chance to even try such things?

I know that if I ever tried to use 'make your reality' to bother other people's, that I sure wouldn't have been able to do that. I'd have had to do something like killing a baby in some ritual sacrifice to be able to get around the natural universal protection there.

So this is very serious. I am not here posting lightly. I am very much aware of what it takes to be able to do what those things I am writing about here do. Not that I would want to. I have plenty of ideas of things to do and manifest that have nothing at all to do with bothering anyone else, muchless trying to control them.



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 09:03 AM
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Sign Related 2 -

you are of course right, because it is so obvious you are right I didn't feel the need to add a reply saying so, not right away anyway.

One reason I know that I am not responsible for manifesting such problems is because I have never had that effect on animals. If I was triggering something inside these evil people, then I would definitely have that same 'make them attack me' effect upon animals too. Of course, I am quite the opposite with animals, get on very well with them, and always have. I can even 'hear' a small insect in trouble. I've handled snakes, tarantula's, and many wasps, - just for example - without any trouble at all. Soooooo - to anyone that thinks it is me that the evils are coming out of - not according to actual reality it isn't no, so you must just be imagining it and wishing it were true. But it's not, and never will be, and never was.



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by duff beer dragon
Vantu is so happy to have jumped into replying here in the first place, yet is once more singularaly unable to summons any sort of response.


Sure Vertu is extremely happy, and so is his partner, who together will gain something very big.



Remember that you have not yet managed to reply to anything so asked about that so far in this thread.


Because my presence on this forum is for different means than the conventionam ATSers. And so is yours.


- you are responsible for your own existnece, you don't come out of me.


So actually I can't leave your dreams? See what I'm talking about?


How can you decide that you know such things about me - just from this thread? Or were you reading some other thread or post by me, then you saw this one and you are replying in here about some other different thread?


Very concerned, are you? Comes a time, when you will realize everything, and you'll see that you have found what you have been looking for.

Anyway, unlike you, I don't need to keep reading all threads and posts to pinpoint you out of nowhere. I can see you without reading a single thread!That is called paranormal phenomenon, but it does have scientific explanation, as everything else.



there is only one person, and everyone else is a projection of that person's mind.


In some terms, it is true. Especially concerning some ATSers.



That's why I am here writing about this appearance of some types of things who use their abilities to interfere with others abilities


What a challenge!!!



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 10:53 AM
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quote: Originally posted by duff beer dragon
Vantu is so happy to have jumped into replying here in the first place, yet is once more singularaly unable to summons any sort of response.


Sure Vertu is extremely happy, and so is his partner, who together will gain something very big.

---------------what is it that you and your partner could possibly gain from replying lies and other spazziness to anything that I write, or produce? Do you mean partner as in sexually, or do you mean a business partner?

quote: Remember that you have not yet managed to reply to anything so asked about that so far in this thread.


Because my presence on this forum is for different means than the conventionam ATSers. And so is yours.

--------I don't see how you could possibly even hope to know why I am here, you obviously don't know anything about me at all to even be attempting to wind me up. You obviously have a severe deathwish and desire to be treated according to your pestering someone like me.

At least you have admitted your ulterior motives for being here.

quote: - you are responsible for your own existnece, you don't come out of me.


So actually I can't leave your dreams? See what I'm talking about?

--------you're not in my dreams, or anyone else's dreams for that matter. Who told you you can exist in other people's dreams, or nightmares, or their minds in general? why did you believe them, if you were told that and didn't just make it up to back-up your mental illness?

how also could you come up with that response to what I wrote there - in what way does your not coming out of me (you know I meant that I did not make you, or create you in any way) connect with your thinking you can exist in other people's minds, or dreams?

quote: How can you decide that you know such things about me - just from this thread? Or were you reading some other thread or post by me, then you saw this one and you are replying in here about some other different thread?


Very concerned, are you? Comes a time, when you will realize everything, and you'll see that you have found what you have been looking for.

----------again as with the last reply, I already covered that. You're trying something that already failed again. I know that you don't know anything. You don't even know enough things to be able to write a proper reply on a message board. You can kid on you are doing other stuff that is more important, but that will of course be the same sort of bull---- as your being able to exist in other people's minds or their dreams.



Anyway, unlike you, I don't need to keep reading all threads and posts to pinpoint you out of nowhere. I can see you without reading a single thread!That is called paranormal phenomenon, but it does have scientific explanation, as everything else.

---------so now you are also claiming to be able to pinpoint me out of nowhere. I don't suppose any details as to how you could do such a thing in a psychic way as you claim will ever be forthcoming - no proof of lies can come to pass.
I think maybe what happened is that you read the subject header of what I posted, and you were attracted to reading it because it sounded like something that you do to other people. Reading message boards isn't paranormal and requires no psychic ability, so what are you trying on here, claiming that you used the occult to know where I posted here, most people use the board's features to find posts.

"That is called paranormal phenomenon" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-------------------No, that's called "reading words that are arranged into sentences and tell what is going on on a message board", or it is called "looking up a username to see what posts they have written on the search engine provided, or the 'My ATS' feature if you yourself have read that post.


quote: there is only one person, and everyone else is a projection of that person's mind.


In some terms, it is true. Especially concerning some ATSers.

--------------------that sounds more like one person logging-in with more than one account, in other words - it has no connection to what I wrote about there.

quote: That's why I am here writing about this appearance of some types of things who use their abilities to interfere with others abilities


What a challenge!!!


----------- why is that a challenge? why should normal operations of reality be at all difficult to achieve?



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by duff beer dragon
Do you mean partner as in sexually, or do you mean a business partner?


My business partner, of course. Anyway, all this is about cash. But the ATSers know nothing about it, and never will!


---- as your being able to exist in other people's minds or their dreams.


Well, these dreams are huge dreams... you know that very well.



I think maybe what happened is that you read the subject header of what I posted, and you were attracted to reading it because it sounded like something that you do to other people.


I think, you created this thread to intentionally attract me to find out how I react to your posts. But as you can see, I'm not interested in your posts filled with bull, the emotional features between your lines are far more interesting, and that's attracting me. But of course, you can't understand what I am talking about. Well, soon you will. Very soon.



looking up a username to see what posts they have written on the search engine provided, or the 'My ATS' feature if you yourself have read that post.


Do you really think, that I am using the ATS search function to find your multiple nicknames? I can imagine you doing that to find if I have more nicks, but I have no reason to have.

But for the record: I had a list of your multiple nicknames, but you stole so many, that I got bored of expanding that list. I can find you without observing the ATSers. But I thought, you knew that already!



that sounds more like one person logging-in with more than one account, in other words


Exactly!!



why is that a challenge? why should normal operations of reality be at all difficult to achieve?


Because you are dealing with someone who is better than you.



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 11:48 AM
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quote: Originally posted by duff beer dragon
Do you mean partner as in sexually, or do you mean a business partner?


My business partner, of course. Anyway, all this is about cash. But the ATSers know nothing about it, and never will!


------"of course"
So you are admitting to stealing my 1943 cent? Yes or no?

The ATSers are about to find out all about you, do you even have any idea what you are involved in?

quote: ---- as your being able to exist in other people's minds or their dreams.


Well, these dreams are huge dreams... you know that very well.

---------no, all I know is that you make no concrete statetemts and that you suggest a lot.

You are not existing in anyone else's mind or dream or anything of the sort, you exist in the same reality as everyone else. Fact.

quote: I think maybe what happened is that you read the subject header of what I posted, and you were attracted to reading it because it sounded like something that you do to other people.


I think, you created this thread to intentionally attract me to find out how I react to your posts. But as you can see, I'm not interested in your posts filled with bull, the emotional features between your lines are far more interesting, and that's attracting me. But of course, you can't understand what I am talking about. Well, soon you will. Very soon.

-----------I don't know anything about you, if you replied to me elsewhere then I have forgotten or didn't notice you were in that thread.

I think you are lost in an astral world of your own making, you must have found that out a long time ago, so when is it going to sink in?


quote: looking up a username to see what posts they have written on the search engine provided, or the 'My ATS' feature if you yourself have read that post.


Do you really think, that I am using the ATS search function to find your multiple nicknames? I can imagine you doing that to find if I have more nicks, but I have no reason to have.

---------yes, I know that you are. There isn't any other way to use the internet. Even if you have an implant so sophisticated that you can use your mind to dial-up wirelessly to connect online, you will still have to use all the same features as any regular browser can display.

But for the record: I had a list of your multiple nicknames, but you stole so many, that I got bored of expanding that list. I can find you without observing the ATSers. But I thought, you knew that already!

----------what list? I myself have posted many lists of various post-names that I have used - I only use varying names on sites that do not have log-ins. I haven't ever had more than one log-in posting account at the same time in use, in case you are trying to imply that I am anyone else on this forum.

Also, if you actually go to my signature link to my catweasel and knights forums, you'll see that there are plenty of posts where I have written about other posts and other names that I have used elsewhere. There's even a post here in the UFO and Aliens forum where I have specific links to old posts of mine from the MJ-12 board. So again, what you think is your 'psychic insider info.' is in fact posted all over the place by me, whom you think you have 'found out' in some way.........

quote: that sounds more like one person logging-in with more than one account, in other words


Exactly!!

quote: why is that a challenge? why should normal operations of reality be at all difficult to achieve?


Because you are dealing with someone who is better than you.

--------where? who would that be? any proof of this 'betterness'? how about proving it then - even one post properly compared would do. It sure can't be you - you can't even manage one single reply that makes sense.



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by greenmansmind
on this planet all humans are hunters,everybody becomes prey.....you have to aquire more energy,wherever there is energy,whoever has it,you require it and by instinct you will try to take it.
the hunter is a stalker
a warrior is a stalker,
when you become the stalker you become the hunter,which means the warrior is the hunter whohunts power.
you wil stalk each of your emotions and every word that comes from your mouth.
once you beginn stalking,you will learn to live in absolute freedom
stalking is a quest for transformation.
on this quest every action thought and spoken wordtakes on significance..

become impeccable..you become impeccable when you relize,that all you do isan act of power for which you are responsible
in order to be impeccable you need to stop spreading poisonous emotions or accepting them fro outside yourself


i see your viewpoint..and i agree in parts...in a classic reductionist sense
and that is how & why there are the stereotypes like "Bad Seed"
persons who have honed their skills at confrontation & dominance thru various means...strength, agility, seduction, mesmerizing, influence or acclaim, deciets and avarice...the list is very long!

in my youth, along with yoga i did freestyle wrestling...i thought myself smug, benefiting from training, exercise, diet, a sense of 'purification' of body & soul....in wrestling one learns to use the opponents mass & energy against theirself (that corresponds with other physical world physics/psychics)...but i demoted my thinking by being amazed that those un-enlightened (sans yogic), lackisidasical (city kids) soda guzzling, unstructured renegade souls...could even stay un-pinned in our wrestling matches. besides, i fancied myself inherently unbeatable, with the strengths gained by a life on the dairy farm- 5am for milking then classes then training then milking again then studies & bed by 9:30

I had a rude awakening; there are some few and rare individuals that seem to 'have-your-number' and that in itself is mildly unsettling...
I have also found that 'directing' the course of our interaction (with these opponents) requires some at-the-edge strategies...bottom line is I have survived, so far.
the Bad Seeds & predators & warriors-stalkers and the like are given a wide berth by me, and a nod of acknowledgement that i recognize who they are & what they do

if you've found anything useful in this, it is You who found it...
in this thread of fractile tangents, eddies, & whirlpools of ideas



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by duff beer dragon
So you are admitting to stealing my 1943 cent? Yes or no?


I'm not stealing your money. I am sharing it with you!



The ATSers are about to find out all about you, do you even have any idea what you are involved in?


The ATSers know nothing. I'll soon find out what I'm involved in. And I have no reason for fear.


yes, I know that you are. There isn't any other way to use the internet. Even if you have an implant so sophisticated that you can use your mind to dial-up wirelessly to connect online, you will still have to use all the same features as any regular browser can display.


It has nothing to do with any regular browser, neither has to do anything with the Internet. I assume, you think I make such a hard work on my computer, that you are so interested what's behind my Firewall... well, the Moderator is caught, I guess.

However, in some terms it would make sense that the moneygrabber is capable of sitting all day at his PC, analyzing nicknames on ATS... How about thinking of an entire office working on this whole issue? Perhaps I have a large support team helping my work.. don't you think?



Also, if you actually go to my signature link to my catweasel and knights forums, you'll see that there are plenty of posts where I have written about other posts and other names that I have used elsewhere. There's even a post here in the UFO and Aliens forum where I have specific links to old posts of mine from the MJ-12 board. So again, what you think is your 'psychic insider info.' is in fact posted all over the place by me, whom you think you have 'found out' in some way.........


Blah... blah... blah... I have nothing to do with the Internet! Only what I see on my monitor. Well, that is nothing!!



where? who would that be? any proof of this 'betterness'? how about proving it then - even one post properly compared would do. It sure can't be you - you can't even manage one single reply that makes sense.


Now you see? You need proof and evidence to conclude an event. I don't need any. It is a major difference, and is just one among many others.



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 02:34 PM
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the way i see it all this trying to prove other wrong..is wrong themselves..
all this dissecting

i myself have not come here seeking knowledge..just curious

everything i need to know comes to me when i am ready..i throw the answer out there and the divine hand throws it at me..

you can try to prove me wrong,thou you are just amusing yourself..and i know what is.
i am a grounded individual
trying to connect the people with the spiritual world and the physical world..i have been this way since i was a young child..
i did not choose to be this way.
it choosed me
i need not prove myself right or anyone wrong

why must we suck the energy from others,why do others allow their energy to be sucked...i am not asking a question..just placing some words.



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