a reply to: anzha
"Calling someone a fool, just because they state something you think is wrong is not acceptable" .....I think???? How? This guy literally screwed up
with his report. I have a very eerie feeling that you and everyone in this forum probably went crazy with insults when the 1st interview of Pierre
Sprey came out on his opinion of the F-35. Gorenburg's report is my version of Pierre Sprey's F-35 report.
"We are reading the same information here and taking away different spins. Part of that is because the pak-fa (now su-57) was supposed to go IOC in
2015. Then in 2017. Then in 2019" Checked wiki and earliest report said later than 2016. That later sign is already an indicator it wont be out in
that time frame. 2006 F-35 is operational in 2016. 2009 1st batch of 12 is to be out in 2019. so give or take a 10 year time frame.
"The armed forces of Russia will adopt the fifth generation Su-57 fighter in 2018, the head of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and
Security Viktor Bondarev told RIA Novosti.
"The fifth-generation fighter PAK FA T-50, which was named Su-57 in serial production, is planned to be adopted in 2018. It successfully passed the
tests, and soon the pilots will start to develop and operate it," Bondarev told the agency.
The first installment will be only 12 aircraft, the senator specified, and, in his opinion, next year "we will get only two or three fighters."
Pre-production production is planned from 2019.
Note. from the Administration: to receive in the next year "two-three" fighter can only be through the transfer of T50-11 and T50-10."
MOSCOW --- Russia’s Defense Ministry expects to sign a contract for a pilot batch of fifth-generation Su-57 fighter jets next year and troops should
receive these cutting-edge aircraft in 2019, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on Wednesday.
The deputy defense minister made this statement at a press conference devoted to the results of the Army-2017 international military and technical
The forum’s visitors displayed great interest in the latest Russian aircraft, including Su-34 and Su-35 planes, and also the cutting-edge
fifth-generation fighter jet which has been named as the Su-57," the deputy defense minister said.
"We are now considering signing a contract for the delivery of a pilot batch of these fighter jets in 2018 with their dispatch to the troops in 2019,"
The Su-57 (PAK FA) took to the skies for the first time in 2010. As was reported earlier, the experimental design work on the cutting-edge fighter jet
should be completed in 2019 and its deliveries to the troops should begin at that time. As United Aircraft Corporation CEO Yuri Slyusar said, the
pre-production batch will consist of 12 such planes.
Russian Aerospace Force Commander-in-Chief Viktor Bondarev said earlier that the deliveries of fifth-generation fighter jets to aviation units would
begin from 2018.
The Army-2017 international military and technical forum was held in Kubinka outside Moscow on August 22-27.
OK you got military officials, CEO in a aerial industry, hell even a politician all saying the same exact thing. I dont know if you have taken the
hint by now but by all means if you still want to follow Gorenburg's opinion along with everyone else I am not stopping you.
" The early examples were anything but stealthy: exposed rivets, gratings, etc. The only possible positive spin on those examples is that the early
su-57s were effectively large aerodynamical models or test beds rather than the final bird with the final stealthy materials used.- I fall asleep on
things like this but there have been arguements going back and forth on its design. Such as exposed fan blades and someone else arguing that the fan
blades are made out of composites and had radar blocker, Talks about S-ducts......Again I pay a little attention to details with things like this as
much as I can without trying to fall asleep.
"I would seriously question the effectiveness of the su-57 in war against 5th gen aircraft. " Come on even the old engines are still amazing an F-22
without external fuel tanks or refuel give it a max 2,049km range while the current 117 engines give a 3,500km range. As we can see they are pushing
for a above 5,000km range engine that by most is considered an ADVENT design.
"Hedging with 4th gen means they are splitting their resources. That would only make sense if they gave doubts about their new plane." Again they are
making a full replacement for the batch of 12 SU-57s.....Think about it few years they want it to replace with izdelie-30 so tell me what are they
going to do with the rest of the 117 engines before already jumping to doubts???????????
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