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originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: face23785
See. More ad hominems from you. It's surprising you think that will magically make me see the light and come around to your side. Nope. I'm going to stay on the side of patience and withholding my judgement until the investigation finishes. They said in January this thing could take years. I'm already ready for the long haul. So none of your ranting will change things here.
I have no illusions you're going to change your mind. You want Trump gone. I know you're never gonna let go of these fairy tales. They help you get through the day.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: face23785
See. More ad hominems from you. It's surprising you think that will magically make me see the light and come around to your side. Nope. I'm going to stay on the side of patience and withholding my judgement until the investigation finishes. They said in January this thing could take years. I'm already ready for the long haul. So none of your ranting will change things here.
I have no illusions you're going to change your mind. You want Trump gone. I know you're never gonna let go of these fairy tales. They help you get through the day.
Whatever you say man. I'm not accountable to you, so I don't give a # what you think. This conversation is going nowhere though, so I'll leave you to your fears.
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: burgerbuddy
She lost. Get over it. We need to know whether or not the President of the United States is in thrall to a hostile foreign power.
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: face23785
Here we go again... We know for a fact that Trump Jr. colluded with individuals claiming to be Russian agents who wished to help the campaign on behalf of Russia. They offered him allegedly incriminating evidence against Clinton which Trump would have needs to be very naive not to assume was obtained illegally. His own emails prove that collusion:
www.nytimes.com...
The only question is whether this collusion was illegal. So please stop trying to deny the reality of the situation... members who f the campaign have been indicted and some are already plea bargaining.
What we know for a fact is Trump Jr was told they had dirt on Clinton, he went, they didn't, and he left. What we know for a fact is that's not illegal. You've got nothing. At this point even you guys know it, you're just so entrenched in your position you can't admit you believed in a lie for over a year. You got played, big time. It must be embarrassing being so gullible. It's understandable why you keep having to pretend there's some there there.
If you understand the situation, why do you keep claiming there was no collusion? There was collusion, and willingness to accept illegally gathered intelligence. Just because there was nothing they could use does not excuse them of intent. If someone picked your pocket but your wallet was empty, was no crime committed? The question of collusion is settled. It happened. The only question is whether it qualifies as conspiracy against the people of the United States, and therefore a crime.
originally posted by: Grimpachi
I pay very little attention to this investigation. More or less I will wait until the end. Almost daily though, I see someone whining about the investigation and how unfair it is to Trump on here. Far as I know the investigation has already established there was Russian interference so that shouldn't be in question.Now they are hunting down those who may have been complicit with the Russians.
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: face23785
Here we go again... We know for a fact that Trump Jr. colluded with individuals claiming to be Russian agents who wished to help the campaign on behalf of Russia. They offered him allegedly incriminating evidence against Clinton which Trump would have needs to be very naive not to assume was obtained illegally. His own emails prove that collusion:
www.nytimes.com...
The only question is whether this collusion was illegal. So please stop trying to deny the reality of the situation... members who f the campaign have been indicted and some are already plea bargaining.
What we know for a fact is Trump Jr was told they had dirt on Clinton, he went, they didn't, and he left. What we know for a fact is that's not illegal. You've got nothing. At this point even you guys know it, you're just so entrenched in your position you can't admit you believed in a lie for over a year. You got played, big time. It must be embarrassing being so gullible. It's understandable why you keep having to pretend there's some there there.
There was collusion, and willingness to accept illegally gathered intelligence.
There is no evidence to suggest that the promised damaging information was related to Russian government computer hacking that led to the release of thousands of Democratic National Committee emails. The meeting took place less than a week before it was widely reported that Russian hackers had infiltrated the committee’s servers.
originally posted by: burgerbuddy
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: face23785
Here we go again... We know for a fact that Trump Jr. colluded with individuals claiming to be Russian agents who wished to help the campaign on behalf of Russia. They offered him allegedly incriminating evidence against Clinton which Trump would have needs to be very naive not to assume was obtained illegally. His own emails prove that collusion:
www.nytimes.com...
The only question is whether this collusion was illegal. So please stop trying to deny the reality of the situation... members who f the campaign have been indicted and some are already plea bargaining.
What we know for a fact is Trump Jr was told they had dirt on Clinton, he went, they didn't, and he left. What we know for a fact is that's not illegal. You've got nothing. At this point even you guys know it, you're just so entrenched in your position you can't admit you believed in a lie for over a year. You got played, big time. It must be embarrassing being so gullible. It's understandable why you keep having to pretend there's some there there.
If you understand the situation, why do you keep claiming there was no collusion? There was collusion, and willingness to accept illegally gathered intelligence. Just because there was nothing they could use does not excuse them of intent. If someone picked your pocket but your wallet was empty, was no crime committed? The question of collusion is settled. It happened. The only question is whether it qualifies as conspiracy against the people of the United States, and therefore a crime.
BS!
There is no "collusion" that applies as a crime here.
It's N/A at all.
If anything, they were offered the info, they didn't solicit it like some other party did.
The Mueller probe is trash now and half his people will be going to jail for corruption.
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: face23785
Okay... someone claiming to represent the Russian government contacts you and says they have dirt on a political opponent. Where are you going to assume they got it? The National Enquirer? Then, shortly after that, Trump announces that he will be producing damaging evidence against Clinton, then after that Podesta emails go up on WikiLeaks. All of that, in your opinion , is pure coincidence?
Trump Jr. was set up. Remember, the lawyer claimed to be representing the Russian government, and that Russia wanted Trump to win. Why would they take pains to say all that explicitly, as it shows clear intent to collude with a foreign power. If I were you, I would be working on a "Clinton campaign dirty trick" conspiracy theory about now.