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Theresa May losing control....will be the DEATH of the UK economy

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posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 05:44 AM
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originally posted by: 83Liberty
I don't think this has much to do with social mobility and has everything to do with Brexit.
The four people who are resigning:
Alan Milburn - "an obsession with Brexit" is one of his reasons.
Gillian Shephard - An open remainer and on the Oxford university Alumni Board.
Paul Gregg - director of the centre for analysis of social policy at the University of Bath.
David Johnston - Worked for University of Oxford.

They all have connections to Universities! Read their wikipedia pages.

Sometimes I feel sorry for Mrs May. She is (or at least trying) to govern our country when it is at its most divided. She is going to get criticism no matter what she does.

However, she certainly doesn't help herself. The trouble is she is an appeaser with no back bone or principles. She has bad advisors and she tries to compromise all the time to the different factions within her own party. It's hardly inspiring leadership.




But every single politician in the country has connections to universities? They've all graduated from somewhere.

But I mean, yeah, funny how people with the highest levels of education are also almost all universally against Brexit eh.

Some friends of mine work at Universities, Brexit is already a catastrophe for them. Funding has dried up. They're having to cancel projects. Research projects are moving to the EU. They can't fill all of the staff places because the best and brightest minds are going abroad.

Brexit is an utter utter catastrophe for the Universities already. And it's only going to get worse.




posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 05:46 AM
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originally posted by: Taggart
...yet most Brexiters HATE Corbyn


Where did you get that from? As the Brexiters have been stereotyped as "educationally challenged" it follows that most Brexiters are Labour voters.


... she said she'd nuke North Korea


Now you are making it up. I don't think May has said she would nuke NK - unless you can find a source, that is.

Everyone is so pessimistic, but Corbyn ending up as PM with his 1970's ideology is a real worry. I work near a university and the posters praising his brand of socialism are worrisome to those who had the misfortune living through the Loony Left / Militant crap. Thanks for listening, comrades.



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 05:46 AM
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Britain has a massive trade deficit with the EU. 8.1 billion pounds!!!!!!!!!!!
How the hell is the UK gotten itsself in such a weak position? Germany should be pooping themselves. When I go to France, you do not see one GB truck further than 20 mile inland. Spend that 8.1 Billion at home and see what happens to the economy. Probably not that easy, but you see what I mean.
Ya'll need someone with a spine, and May, and Corbyn aint it. The great capitulators are giving it all away.



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 05:49 AM
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a reply to: Painterz

Cambridge is the fastest growing city in the UK. Not probs here, except that all the new housing is being sold to foreign investors instead of locals.



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 05:52 AM
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a reply to: Revolution9

Must be a team effort with our republicans and trump to send us all back to fiefdom.



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 05:58 AM
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a reply to: lakenheath24




except that all the new housing is being sold to foreign investors instead of locals.

A lot of new housing is being sold to buy to let investors who plough their profits into buying more houses , private rent is higher than social housing so as well as taking houses out of the market they increase the burden on the tax payer through higher housing benefit claims , the Tories have failed time and again to address this issue.



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 06:02 AM
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a reply to: gortex

True, but what has labor done? They added a second stamp duty, but that only hurts the little investor.



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 06:11 AM
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a reply to: lakenheath24




True, but what has labor done?

They are not in power nor have they been this decade , what Labour would do is build more social housing to help the people who can't afford to buy one house let alone two.



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 06:17 AM
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originally posted by: Painterz

originally posted by: 83Liberty
I don't think this has much to do with social mobility and has everything to do with Brexit.
The four people who are resigning:
Alan Milburn - "an obsession with Brexit" is one of his reasons.
Gillian Shephard - An open remainer and on the Oxford university Alumni Board.
Paul Gregg - director of the centre for analysis of social policy at the University of Bath.
David Johnston - Worked for University of Oxford.

They all have connections to Universities! Read their wikipedia pages.

Sometimes I feel sorry for Mrs May. She is (or at least trying) to govern our country when it is at its most divided. She is going to get criticism no matter what she does.

However, she certainly doesn't help herself. The trouble is she is an appeaser with no back bone or principles. She has bad advisors and she tries to compromise all the time to the different factions within her own party. It's hardly inspiring leadership.




But every single politician in the country has connections to universities? They've all graduated from somewhere.

But I mean, yeah, funny how people with the highest levels of education are also almost all universally against Brexit eh.

Some friends of mine work at Universities, Brexit is already a catastrophe for them. Funding has dried up. They're having to cancel projects. Research projects are moving to the EU. They can't fill all of the staff places because the best and brightest minds are going abroad.

Brexit is an utter utter catastrophe for the Universities already. And it's only going to get worse.

When I said connections to Universities, I meant worked for them and you knew that, but never mind.

It's not 'almost universal' that all educated people are against Brexit. What a load of horse crap.

Ahh the Uni's funding is drying up? You mean their funding that is received from the EU! Why are the EU funding our universities in the first place? They shouldn't be trying to influence how are universities teach their pupils. Stalin would be proud what the EU has achieved in this.

You do realise that universities are private companies right? You do realise that the £9k a year fee is the maximum fee the government has set, yet the universities charge this fee for most of their courses? You do realise that most of these courses can actually be achieved in 1 or 2 years and not the 3+ years? Now you have to ask yourself, why do universities do this, I thought they cared for their pupils? Of course they dont, universities are just like any other business trying to get as much money as possible, hence why they LOVE the EU. They not only get millions from them per year, they get hundreds of thousands pupils from Europe too, which is more money for them.



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 06:22 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: lakenheath24




except that all the new housing is being sold to foreign investors instead of locals.

A lot of new housing is being sold to buy to let investors who plough their profits into buying more houses , private rent is higher than social housing so as well as taking houses out of the market they increase the burden on the tax payer through higher housing benefit claims , the Tories have failed time and again to address this issue.


^^^ This has been a huge contributor to the social divide. The Tories ran a scheme to help first time buyers BUT they could only buy new builds with leasehold clauses. It funnelled first timers into newly built estates and opened up the rest of the market to buy-to-let landlords.

Here we are and landlords are buying all the entry-level properties and young families are squashed into cheaply-built buildings with annual fees on top of their mortgages.



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 06:24 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: lakenheath24




True, but what has labor done?

They are not in power nor have they been this decade , what Labour would do is build more social housing to help the people who can't afford to buy one house let alone two.


So would Tories emulate Gordon Brown's plan then? Pehaps Jeremy will seize houses from the rich Russian Revolution style! LOL
www.financialadvice.co.uk...



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 06:25 AM
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I propose an initial two year moratorium of politics. They can still have their salaries and expenses for the two year period, but they stay out of Westminster and Whitehall and just don't meddle in anything. After the two years we conduct a review. We may well find things are no worse without them. Things might even be better, I know which outcome I would bet on.



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 06:31 AM
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a reply to: Kandinsky

Don't forget councils screwing people over with all their requirements an permissions. I see nothing wrong with someone buying a second and third house to make a bit of money. It's the Russian and chinese buying up whole estates that is the problem.

The UK government relies on housing to go up so much that is is stuck in a really nasty cycle that they dont know how to escape from. Soon, rent costs will outstrip peoples earning so then what....live at home with mom and dad.

One in 4 over 50's have a kid at home.
www.telegraph.co.uk...



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 06:33 AM
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a reply to: lakenheath24

Early 2009 ? , the recession started in 2008 , Browns hand were tied.
After nearly 10 years of austerity perhaps it's time this government implemented a similar but bolder housing plan and clipped the wings of buy to let investors to free up housing stock.



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 06:42 AM
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originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Taggart
...yet most Brexiters HATE Corbyn


Where did you get that from? As the Brexiters have been stereotyped as "educationally challenged" it follows that most Brexiters are Labour voters.


... she said she'd nuke North Korea


Now you are making it up. I don't think May has said she would nuke NK - unless you can find a source, that is.

Everyone is so pessimistic, but Corbyn ending up as PM with his 1970's ideology is a real worry. I work near a university and the posters praising his brand of socialism are worrisome to those who had the misfortune living through the Loony Left / Militant crap. Thanks for listening, comrades.



Here you go, here's proof, she said it in parliament and in the BBC debate (the one where she wouldn't debate Corbyn but would do separate Q and A's)





Where do I get Brexiters hate Corbyn? You must having a laugh. Are you a Brexiter?



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 06:44 AM
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a reply to: lakenheath24



Don't forget councils screwing people over with all their requirements an permissions. I see nothing wrong with someone buying a second and third house to make a bit of money. It's the Russian and chinese buying up whole estates that is the problem.


Landlords are a factor if we're talking about causes of social division. Many of them are actually working class people so we need to be careful about who to blame for the situation. Rightly or wrongly, the landlord class has put a ceiling on the social mobility of millions. I've no idea how to combat that because the working class landlords are examples of successful mobility lol.

We've got finite housing so when a person buys two or three extra houses they've reduced the pool of properties to buy and simultaneously inflated the prices of what's left. I agree about people buying 'whole estates' although wouldn't necessarily blame foreigners. Liverpool has huge swathes of properties (mostly terraces) owned by London-based estate agents and it's similar in every other city.

A knock-on effect is property values can drop in communities that are predominantly short-term tenancies. Transient groups don't invest in their areas and schools suffer for it too...it's a web of negative social factors.

Sorry for the looooong post. I don't see a way out of these issues and can't blame a specific party's ideology. They're all responsible imo,



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 06:52 AM
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New Labour are mostly to blame for the mess we are in now.

The problem people don't seem to see, is that Labour come to power with their "free stuff for everybody" philosophy.

The scrubbers of society then feel like they don't have to work because everything is handed to them on a plate, unemployment goes up, so does the benefit bill.

They let more Eastern Europeans in, sucking up all the low end jobs so people who genuinely want to work can't find a job, unemployment goes up.

Then another Government comes to power and the fall from the mess Labour created then looks like their fault when they have to implement higher taxes to try and pay Labours bill.

That Government eventually starts to get the economy and deficit back to normal, the people are sick of higher taxes so vote Labour in and the cycle continues.

Being a northerner I voted Labour until I actually started to realise what was going on.

I am actually better off financially now under Tory rule, I pay £360 a month rent for a 2 bedroom house, and I am saving for a mortgage with help from the Tories.

I do think Theresa May could be handling Brexit better, but the EU are the ones piling the pressure on, they should have let Farage handle it.

As for the North / South divide, yes there is one, but it's cheaper to live in the North than the South, so it offsets any wage differences there may be.

Pound shops are on the rise though.



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 07:15 AM
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originally posted by: woogleuk


New Labour are mostly to blame for the mess we are in now. The problem people don't seem to see, is that Labour come to power with their "free stuff for everybody" philosophy.


Actually it was Thatcher that changed the benefit system not New Labour.




The scrubbers of society then feel like they don't have to work because everything is handed to them on a plate, unemployment goes up, so does the benefit bill.


The Majority of the welfare bill is actually pensions which isn't welfare at all, again Thatcher, much like she created 'Invalidity benefity' which has changed names many times, this was also used to massage employment figures.




They let more Eastern Europeans in, sucking up all the low end jobs so people who genuinely want to work can't find a job, unemployment goes up.


I can't argue that many immigrants take lower paid jobs, they do, but in turn they give back to the economy, I know that's not your point.




Then another Government comes to power and the fall from the mess Labour created then looks like their fault when they have to implement higher taxes to try and pay Labours bill.


2008 was a world financial crash, the aftermath should be how your judged and lets be clear going into 8 years of conservative rule whether it be majority or minority, we are the lowest performing economy of the G8 and every major economy in Europe outside of Greece.




That Government eventually starts to get the economy and deficit back to normal, the people are sick of higher taxes so vote Labour in and the cycle continues.


The economy is forecasted to be 'back to normal' in 2045 under the current direction.





I am actually better off financially now under Tory rule, I pay £360 a month rent for a 2 bedroom house, and I am saving for a mortgage with help from the Tories.


yet we've had 1000% increase in foodbank usage, many of them working people, not to mention rise in evictions, homeless etc.




I do think Theresa May could be handling Brexit better, but the EU are the ones piling the pressure on, they should have let Farage handle it.


Letting a man that's failed to gain office in nine attempts would be far from my first choice



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 07:54 AM
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I know what we can do ,raise tax to 20 %.
And then give the highest earners a tax cut.

Because that will stimulate the economy ( enter wicked laugh here )

If you live here you know the north gets # all ,and the south east get everything spent down there .

And that mayor is just a joke who just wants all his friendly muslims to take over .

Makes me #ing sick .



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 08:32 AM
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a reply to: Kandinsky

There are many articles on foreign investment buying up all the new builds....
www.theguardian.com...

There was a program on TV about it Friday. I dont think either party knows what to do about it. May is in such a weak position that I don't think she will do anything.



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