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Trump Incriminates Himself in Lastest Tweet?

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posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 06:28 PM
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a reply to: AnkhMorpork

The President is the Chief Law Enforcement officer of the United States.

His actions granted by the Constitution cant be used against him. The legal definition of obstruction of justice -

18 U.S. Code § 1503 - Influencing or injuring officer or juror generally

(a) Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, endeavors to influence, intimidate, or impede any grand or petit juror, or officer in or of any court of the United States, or officer who may be serving at any examination or other proceeding before any United States magistrate judge or other committing magistrate, in the discharge of his duty, or injures any such grand or petit juror in his person or property on account of any verdict or indictment assented to by him, or on account of his being or having been such juror, or injures any such officer, magistrate judge, or other committing magistrate in his person or property on account of the performance of his official duties, or corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b). If the offense under this section occurs in connection with a trial of a criminal case, and the act in violation of this section involves the threat of physical force or physical force, the maximum term of imprisonment which may be imposed for the offense shall be the higher of that otherwise provided by law or the maximum term that could have been imposed for any offense charged in such case.
(b) The punishment for an offense under this section is—
(1) in the case of a killing, the punishment provided in sections 1111 and 1112;
(2) in the case of an attempted killing, or a case in which the offense was committed against a petit juror and in which a class A or B felony was charged, imprisonment for not more than 20 years, a fine under this title, or both; and
(3) in any other case, imprisonment for not more than 10 years, a fine under this title, or both.


Just to clarify an officer of the court includes, but is not limited to: judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys and sworn law enforcement as subject matter experts.

As you can see obstruction did not occur.

Finally - impeachment.

Impeachment is a political and NOT a legal question. High crimes and Misdemeanors is defined by Congress and not any legal statute. I will say any attempt to impeach Trump for exercising his constitutional authority will most likely be viewed as an attempted coup by the left to accomplish what they could not do at the ballot box.
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posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 06:38 PM
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Impeachment is a political and NOT a legal question. High crimes and Misdemeanors is defined by Congress and not any legal statute. I will say any attempt to impeach Trump for exercising his constitutional authority will most likely be viewed as an attempted coup by the left to accomplish what they could not do at the ballot box.


It's clear that the SJW's have an agenda to unseat the President because they lost, and not based upon any evidence. Any attempt to unseat Trump will erupt into civil war and quite honestly could lead to the same actions when the Democrats win. It could bring into politics an ugly precedent. Lose at the ballot box and create anarchy to unseat the winner. Democrats be careful what you wish for, it could come back to bite you next time.



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra


The President is the Chief Law Enforcement officer of the United States.


Article II, Section 3 can be interpreted as such, but that doesn't mean, and it doesn't say, he is immune to charges of obstruction.



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 06:59 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Xcathdra


The President is the Chief Law Enforcement officer of the United States.


Article II, Section 3 can be interpreted as such, but that doesn't mean, and it doesn't say, he is immune to charges of obstruction.





Nope but it does grant him constitutional authority in that area and you cant be charged with doing something illegal that is prescribed by the constitution as a job duty.

Secondly people need to read the federal statute for obstruction to actually see what it says.

While impeachment is not a legal question it will be hard to justify the removal of a President based on one party not liking the President and trying to hide that under a make believe crime.

Firing Comey is not obstruction, even under the legal standard in the federal body of law.
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posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 07:20 PM
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it does grant him constitutional authority


As chief LEO. That is open to interpretation, as stated.


you cant be charged with doing something illegal that is prescribed by the constitution as a job duty.


The constitution doesn't say illegal action is part of job duty. As stated, A2S3 can be interpreted to mean Chief LEO, but it doesn't state immunity from illegal action, nor does statute.


people need to read the federal statute for obstruction to actually see what it says.


I did. It's arguably obstruction.


Firing Comey is not obstruction, even under the legal standard in the federal body of law.


If he was fired to distract from or impede a federal investigation, it does, and is.



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
The constitution doesn't say illegal action is part of job duty. As stated, A2S3 can be interpreted to mean Chief LEO, but it doesn't state immunity from illegal action, nor does statute.


When the Constitution says you are head of the executive branch and you can fire people without cause there is no obstruction. When the acting FBI Director McCabe says Comey's termination did not affect any investigations there is no crime. When accusing the President of breaking the law his actions must violate the statute in order to be in violation of it.

Based on the federal statute his actions did not violate that law


originally posted by: Liquesence
I did. It's arguably obstruction.

It is not even close.




originally posted by: Liquesence
If he was fired to distract from or impede a federal investigation, it does, and is.

Firing my police chief did not result in any obstruction of investigations. Comey is not a field agent but an administrator and was not directly involved with investigations. Secondly McCabe was the senior administrator the investigators reported to and not Comey.

Terminating Comey -
* - was not obstruction.
* - was not a law violation of any sort.
* - did not hinder any investigations.
* - did not influence any investigations.
* - was a constitutionally protected action.

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posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 09:44 PM
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You make good points.

But what if Trump was asked about this tweet under oath and was forced to admit that indeed he did ask Comey to "let it go"..



..with awareness that Flynn had lied to the FBI?

or is the timing at issue as to when Flynn was interviewed by the FBI?

Just asking..



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: AnkhMorpork

Flynns lies have nothing to do with what Trump stated. The only crime Flynn committed was lying to the FBI. His contacts / interactions with Russians were completely lawful and broke no laws.

Secondly asking to drop an investigation is, again, not a law violation. Trump is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer in the US government. If we use your logic then Obama is screwed in regards to all of his scandals and their failure to do anything about it.

Flynns interview is under scrutiny being they lied to him to get him to the meeting (permissible in some aspects, not in others). They then denied him access to a lawyer.

If that last part is true then Flynn walks.
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posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 10:06 PM
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The MSM like CNN etc are frothing at the mouth over this. They are convinced that this represents the beginning of an impeachment if Mueller finds for obstruction of Justice over the firing of Comey.

However, a case is also forming to show strong political bias, within Mueller's team, and on Comey's part.

If there were a cover up of other crimes, like collusion with the Russians to help sway the election, for which there doesn't appear to be any evidence, then it would be a different matter.

If everything you say is true, and it looks credible, then this whole thing is going to blow up in the Dems and the left-leaning MSM's faces.

Flynn walks, no collusion shown, heavy bias on the part of Mueller, as well as Comey.

In that regard, Comey has also tipped his hand, and we know that he's close with Mueller.


Now maybe he's just pissed about losing his job, but this looks like it has a great deal of personal animus even hatred involved, while using the Bible of all things to direct it Trump's way, as if trying to put the fear of God into him.

That's harsh! Posted the day of Flynn's admission of guilt on the count of lying to the FBI.

Comey and Mueller are political animals and they've run cover for abominable things. Mueller was over 9/11 and the anthrax investigations...

For the good of the country, Mueller better wrap up soon.. the SOB, and then Trump should fire Jeff Sessions and that Rosenstein fellow who almost appears to have set the trap himself, intentionally and with full knowledge and awareness of what he was doing. Trump, knowing there was no Russia collusion felt it best to tell the truth that the Russia investigation had something to do with it (firing Comey), because he thought he was free and clear on the issue of any alleged Russian collusion during the election, which is still Mueller's sole mandate.

Mueller sits like a spider trying to form a web, but I think you're right that it all doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Now if only Trump would stop tweeting about it.. must be hard for him to refrain.

I think that all of this will serve to put pressure on Mueller to wrap it up quickly and be done with it.

And once again, Trump will be spared, even vindicated.

Now just stop tweeting and let's get on with the renaissance. We need an American Infrastructure Bank for P3's. Get on it. That's what you were voted in part to bring about, a booming economy and the building of a 21st century American Infrastructure.

I think Trump should turn away from Fox and Friends and focus instead on policy implementation. Make it all about the American people and not himself and his own drama, which could turn into quicksand for himself real fast.

To stay above the fray but not above the law. And don't LIE.

Ankh

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posted on Dec, 5 2017 @ 02:19 AM
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IT'S CURTAIN TIME... Election interference by a foreign power, Revealing these secrets could see not only Trump fall, but UK government ministers too



posted on Dec, 5 2017 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: AnkhMorpork

He said "I hope you can let this go", because Flynn lied about conduct that wasn't illegal. His lie is what was illegal. Even Comey said he was never asked to stop the investigation under oath when he discussed his dinner with Trump. He felt is was implied, but he was never directly asked.

Edit: Did you intentionally leave the context of "Let it go" out? "I hope you can let it go." and "Let it go." mean two completely different things.
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posted on Dec, 5 2017 @ 01:32 PM
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posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 10:51 AM
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idk bout this one...



posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 01:15 PM
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Comey and Mueller have their own misdeeds and are likely to be drained from the swamp than to ding Trump.
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posted on Dec, 8 2017 @ 02:38 PM
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Trump is an idiot. The real crime is the proven pro Hillary bias of the FBI.

I don't care what side you are on you should be ripping your hair out at them being a political tool.



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 01:05 AM
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Thomas Paine‏ @Thomas1774Paine
4h4 hours ago

Thomas Paine Retweeted Thomas Paine

I'll give a little Hint but the bigger story next week is even better. FBI folks tell me Wray told IG to step it the hell up; wants IG report on McCabe & others in his hands within weeks, not months. IG has agreed to expedite. More to come.



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 04:09 AM
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posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 04:48 AM
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When it comes to Trump, I am willing to believe anything about him. He lies too much to be taken seriously and is also a big hypocrite. His attacks on Obama and golf, then turns around and does the exact same thing. LMAO


And now this...you really can't make this stuff up.




posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 05:58 PM
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a reply to: DrakeMorningstar

and yet Trump still has accomplished more in 10 months than Obama did in 8 years.



posted on Dec, 10 2017 @ 01:14 AM
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a reply to: Christosterone

Dirty russian mob money...Trump didn't pay for his campaign like he promised he would. Do you want to deny that Trump said he would pay his own campaign but then sucked corporate Koch.




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