JARED 'is the mystery official who ordered Flynn to contact the Russians'

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President Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner was the high-ranking administration official who directed Flynn to contact Russian officials, reports claim. Several sources say Ivanka's husband is the man Flynn claims ordered him to reach out to Russian officials on December 22 to discuss a United Nations resolution on Israel.

In December 2016, Obama expelled a number of Russian diplomats claiming that Russia meddled in the presidential election. That was just a month before Obama was to leave office and after the election. It could be said that Flynn's contact with the Russian Ambassador, instead of retaliation for expelling 35 Russian officials from the U.S., made Putin invite children of 35 US diplomats to Kremlin for Christmas. The contact was beneficial to America.

The question is, was Flynn's contact with Russia against the law? If Flynn could not officially contact Russia as a preparation for the incoming Administration, then even though Flynn was directed by his boss, he personally bears the responsibility for the contact, he could be indicted and found guilty. Trump can pardon him for serving the interest of USA.

ETA: The other question is if it wasn't against the law, then why did Flynn lie about it?

a reply to: Iamonlyhuman

In December 2016, Obama expelled a number of Russian diplomats claiming that Russia meddled in the presidential election.

The Russian consulate in San Fransisco was closed because it had a birds eye view on the comings and goings of the US Navy thru the SF Bay entrance, known as the "Golden Gate".

Can't have them spying on the 'Asian Pivot'.

View from the consulate

.o2

originally posted by: Iamonlyhuman
The questions is, was Flynn's contact with Russia was against the law?

That's what I'd like to know and I really cannot seem to find an answer on whether Presidential transitional teams are barred from contacting foreign governments regarding potential policy during the transition period.

a reply to: intrptr

I'm not familiar with the term Asian Pivot. Could you explain?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I edited my OP because if it's not against the law, then why did Flynn lie about it? I honestly don't know.

originally posted by: Iamonlyhuman
a reply to: intrptr

I'm not familiar with the term Asian Pivot. Could you explain?

Obamas speech term, 'pivoting' away from the Middle East militarily to the Eastern Pacific (really Asia), in response to what at the time was seen as encroachment by China into the China Sea. Ostensibly arguing over a spit of land off Japan that is rich with resources.

All that deflection is long gone now, there are three US carrier attack groups patrolling the region, the building of new military bases in Okinawa and elsewhere and the ramped up warmongering over North Korea.

This is my interpretation of events, you'll get all kind of argument from the ATS warmonger, disinformation specialists.

ETA: I see you edited your OP... I'll let the mods determine if my post should be removed (now).

originally posted by: Iamonlyhuman
I edited my OP because if it's not against the law, then why did Flynn lie about it? I honestly don't know.

I think he lied to cover his previous shady dealings with Russia and other countries and to protect his business interests but this is just me speculating.

One thing I don't like about Jared is he is extremely anti Iran. He is the one suggesting moving the capital of Israel to Jerusalem, which would surely escalate the conflict in Syria. Just last night, Israel did a massive air raid near Damascus. Israel is emboldened by Jared, who has been close to Netanyahu for decades. The sooner Jared is out of office, the safer the world. Unfortunately, Jared telling Flynn to contact Russians isn't going to bring Jared down.

The mere words "contact the Russians" is so out of context here and the eay it triggers Trump haters make the entire story a joke.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Iamonlyhuman
The questions is, was Flynn's contact with Russia was against the law?

That's what I'd like to know and I really cannot seem to find an answer on whether Presidential transitional teams are barred from contacting foreign governments regarding potential policy during the transition period.

Surely, you don't think these transition teams are exempt from the Logan Act?

In the past (before the "Opposition") it was a matter of selective enforcement....IMO

ganjoa

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The Logan Act is for unauthorized citizens. I am asking if Presidential transition teams are authorized or un-authorized, I would tend to think they have some latitude as they will be running the government within a few months of an election and some onboarding time must be allocated, you cannot expect to come into dictating policy cold on the 20th of January. Where are the guidelines?

Additionally, no one has ever been prosecuted under the Logan Act and many legal scholars feel it is un-Constitutional. On top of that, Flynn et. al. are not private citizens, they are acting as government representatives of an incoming administration. I find the potential to use the Logan Act, if that is the scenario, to be highly dubious.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

That's what I'd like to know and I really cannot seem to find an answer on whether Presidential transitional teams are barred from contacting foreign governments regarding potential policy during the transition period.

Whew! I don't feel quite so stupid now... I've been trying to find the same thing and having no luck. And I don't understand why that would be illegal anyway. Why should we be outraged about the incoming president and his team doing what they're supposed to do?

What am I missing here???

I find it comical how the left keeps moving the goalposts on this supposed "Russian collusion" crusade.

They have not been able to find any evidence of Trump and the Russians working together to alter the outcome of the election...so now they are saying that he started talking to Russia (not to mention many other Countries) after he was elected, but had not yet been sworn in.

What is the expectation...that an incoming President and his team should have no contact with the outside world until the inauguration? That would be both unrealistic to expect - and it would be incompetent of a President-elect to conduct himself in this way.

Seriously Resisters, give it up!

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I know it's kind of a stickler, but authorization comes with the office - not in office=not authorized. For everybody else.

Transistion teams? There should be paperwork. Somebody's got to sign something. Otherwise, how'd the transition team get access to classified data.

This wouln't be an issue for Kissinger, Carter or Bill Clinton today(probably).
Maybe authorizations are lifetime?
Or more likely, we just don't hear anything about it from the media or DOJ (nothing to see here).

ganjoa

a reply to: ganjoa

Diplomatic contact can only be set up by officials between nations. Flynn contacting Russians after the election but before swearing in was not official contact. Nevertheless, nothing illegal about that.

originally posted by: Iamonlyhuman
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I edited my OP because if it's not against the law, then why did Flynn lie about it? I honestly don't know.

I don't know what is and what is not against the law.
Nor would this be the only explanation.

But at a time when DC was leaking like a sive; and your boss was being accused of working with the Russians to steal the election (including hacking of voting machines); it would look bad in the court of public opinion if you where found talking to the Russians even if you had a ligitmate reason to do so.

originally posted by: ganjoa
I know it's kind of a stickler, but authorization comes with the office - not in office=not authorized. For everybody else.

I don't buy that. You cannot expect a new administration to come in cold.

I suspect there could be a court ruling on this but if all it is was someone telling someone else to begin talks with foreign governments I'm not impressed.

Flynn will end up in jail for lying, not for talking to the Russians. It's always the cover up that gets you.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ganjoa
I know it's kind of a stickler, but authorization comes with the office - not in office=not authorized. For everybody else.

I don't buy that. You cannot expect a new administration to come in cold.

You would hope the outgoing administration would work closely with the incoming one during the transition period. Putting the country first and all. Kind of like the way Bush worked with Obama.

a reply to: Iamonlyhuman

ETA: The other question is if it wasn't against the law, then why did Flynn lie about it?

Probably because he knew crooked Comey would try to turn it into something it wasn't. Remember the Trump Dossier?!

originally posted by: ganjoa

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Iamonlyhuman
The questions is, was Flynn's contact with Russia was against the law?

That's what I'd like to know and I really cannot seem to find an answer on whether Presidential transitional teams are barred from contacting foreign governments regarding potential policy during the transition period.

Surely, you don't think these transition teams are exempt from the Logan Act?

In the past (before the "Opposition") it was a matter of selective enforcement....IMO

ganjoa

From my understanding, the Logan Act has NEVER been enforced in the past...

"To date, only two people have ever been indicted for violating the Act's provisions. However, no person has ever been prosecuted for alleged violations of the Act."

en.wikipedia.org...