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Liberal Media - Stop Embarrassing Yourselves, Again

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posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: underwerks


I just want to say, I lean left on pretty much everything, and I've collected guns all my short life.


And I thank you for saying it.

It will never cease to amaze me when a self-professed "liberal" is all for controlling what somebody else can and can't do, so long as it's this particular subject rather than that particular subject.




posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Are you saying that Joe Public should ensure his discussion of topics is held to a journalistic standard? Really? Is this the approach you are taking here?

Her lie isn't a nuance. Its ignoring the fact that federal firearms laws would preclude exactly the fear fire that the author was trying to stoke. I'd contend that someone paid to publish news would abstain from proselytizing legalities without informing themselves of said legalities. If they want to remain credible as a news source and continue earning a paycheck.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

I'm for a nuanced approach. I want to protect the 2nd amendment but I also feel like having a few restrictions like universal background checks on purchases can't hurt things. I don't agree with magazine bans or assault weapon bans, but no one cares about that opinion. It's why I hate this discussion with a passion. Each side demands their nuance be accepted but has no room for the other side's nuance.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Of course if we want to talk about journalistic integrity then we have to wonder why when a contributor, columnist, or reporter lies like this do they NOT lose their jobs?

Isn't the point of a business to make money by providing quality?

How long can any organization last putting out garbage like this?

Forever it seems.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Well Fox News and Breitbart exist. Clean your own camp and maybe we can talk about something like this.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

You can't have a policy discussion when the other side regularly LIES.

I'd be willing to accept a UBC but ONLY if I have access to NICS.

But no one wants to talk about that either.

The VAST MAJORITY of liberals do not support the second amendment. I have demonstrated that.

The media does NOT support the second amendment and have the power to sway opinions and beliefs with their lies. For the majority of liberals its just confirmation of their beliefs, for everyone else its another attack on the right to bear arms.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

whataboutism



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: projectvxn

Well Fox News and Breitbart exist. Clean your own camp and maybe we can talk about something like this.


Deflection. Whataboutism.

Not only have you been proven wrong in this thread, you just can't admit you are wrong on this and feel the need to deflect.

You realize that the only sources used in my OP were NBC, NYT, and Crime Research dot org, right?



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

So you demand that the liberal media fire people for lying but the right wing media should do nothing about their liars? I'm not whataboutism. I'm following off of something YOU specifically said and asked for from the liberal media.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: Regnor
Oh I didn't realize Gail Collins represents all liberal media.


Oh please, not this crap again.

The Liberal media pushes this kind of garbage about guns and gun laws all the time. It is demonstrable that support for the second amendment among liberals hovers at around 20%, and their policy making support reflects how the media portrays this issue.

It is a FACT that the media is generally liberal.


Absolutely WRONG. The media just wants to make money. They know stories about gun control make people like you livid. When you get enraged they get ratings. Ratings equals money.

If the media were truly "liberal" they would be organizing workers to strike in order to get better wages. Until then, the conservatively owned media is only interested in one thing.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:44 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: projectvxn

So you demand that the liberal media fire people for lying but the right wing media should do nothing about their liars? I'm not whataboutism. I'm following off of something YOU specifically said and asked for from the liberal media.


More whataboutism. Addresses nothing about how the liberal media handles the topic of guns.

Can't argue on the facts here so it's time to attack sources that weren't even used in this post.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: projectvxn

So you demand that the liberal media fire people for lying but the right wing media should do nothing about their liars? I'm not whataboutism. I'm following off of something YOU specifically said and asked for from the liberal media.


Republicans and the Republican media is just as bad a s liberals. To think otherwise is purely delusional.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
I want to protect the 2nd amendment


I stopped here... Your self proclaimed "nuanced stance" obviously involves blatant lying because you, sir, are not in any way a defender of the 2nd Amendment. You've told some doozies over the years on here, but this one by far and away takes the cake.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You can't have a policy discussion when the other side regularly LIES.

BOTH sides lie! God. That's what I'm trying to point out here! Do you think the right wing media is honest about their gun reporting too? Do you think that your selective posting here is representative of ALL the reporting on the gun issues? All I see here is YOU pushing a narrative that appeals to people's confirmation biases.


I'd be willing to accept a UBC but ONLY if I have access to NICS.

I'm open to compromise.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: joemoe
a reply to: projectvxn

They do not care about facts. Their feelings says guns are bad, because they "HATE" Guns.


Only your average, every day lefty.

The politicians say they hate guns but love having security detail with guns. Never trust someone who wants to take away guns while they hire armed security escorts.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:46 PM
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If the media were truly "liberal" they would be organizing workers to strike in order to get better wages. Until then, the conservatively owned media is only interested in one thing.


You may be correct on this assessment, but it is still doing this with liberal talking points on guns. The motivation may be ratings and money, but the notion that there isn't an ideological tone to what they do is ignoring reality.
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posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t




BOTH sides lie! God.


Gun owners can't afford to be wrong about anything even ONCE. Why? Because liberals will pounce on it to try to take away that right.

Liberals lie about guns.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:50 PM
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Yep. I knew I'd get an ignorant response like that from someone like you. Thanks for your lack of attention to detail. Keep lowering that debate bar, moderator. Making ATS great again.

Oh wait. Sorry, was I supposed to give you something intellectual as a response to your troll again? I can't remember when I'm supposed to take your trolling seriously or not. Wouldn't want to be infracted or anything.
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posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Strawman.


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posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 01:53 PM
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Keep lowering that debate bar, moderator.


This garbage right here is why I stopped being a moderator.

You people act like a mod can't participate and have an opinion.

This will definitely be my last post to you. Since you can't debate on facts you're doing nothing but engaging in deflection for sources that weren't even used, making baseless accusations, and now mod bashing because you don't like being challenged on your BS.




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