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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Krazysh0t
I've seen quite a bit of coverage for all three, to be honest. And this thread shows that Conyers is "not in need of counseling". They, the Dems, want him out.
Now, they do, yes. however, when the allegations first started coming in, the story was different. Franken is still safe in his position so far as I can see.
These same people, like Pelosi, who took a week or two to decide Conyers needed to go were screaming for Moore's head before his first accuser finished her press conference.
You out yourself.
That comparison is only valid if all accusations are assumed 100% truthful. It is a ridiculously easy exercise in simplicity itself to prove that is a false assumption. Every single day, in almost every court in the country, likely across the globe, witnesses are discredited and cases are thrown out because of dishonesty.
It is also quite simple to show that your blanket assumption of truthfulness has some strict limits: you are on record here as outing many a politician, usually Republicans, as liars... sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't, but you do seem to call them on their honesty.
Thus, your blanket assumption of honesty is actually a conditional assumption of honesty toward those who accuse others of things you wish were true. As in, you wish Roy Moore were a child molester. Where Franken and Conyers are concerned, the evidence has mounted against them to the point it is difficult to defend them, but not against Moore. Moore's accusers have only their word.
This directly contradicts your earlier statement asking for fairness and equity over these allegations. Worse, it can be translated as "if someone is guilty, they can apologize and get off, but someone who is innocent must be severely punished for not apologizing for something they are innocent of." That is NOT fairness and equity.
I won't call you a liar, sir... but I believe you may do so to yourself.
Just in this morning.
Well of COURSE there is partisanism at work here. I'm not going to sit here and say that everyone is acting purely out of the goodness of their hearts. It's politics. You know, Latin for "many parasites"?
You seem to be putting an AWFUL lot of words in my mouth. I never said that I want Moore to be guilty.
...at LEAST you didn't outright call me a liar. Right?
Well it's more along the lines that we are redefining morality on the fly and then holding people accountable for actions they took place years ago. That's why I see it as a witch hunt. Every day there is a new person outed for misconduct from an age where that misconduct was the norm. Granted I DO agree with the changing morality. I don't think that was acceptable behavior, and we should definitely punish these people going forward, but it's hard to fault someone now who didn't know any better who was just going along with the flow at the time.
As such, I feel like this isn't about empowering women anymore and more about empowering the political party you stand for. "How many liberals can you we topple with sex allegations?" "How many conservatives can we topple with sex allegations?" It makes it easy to fight them when you don't have to address their policy positions.
Sorry. That's just how I feel about the situation.
Lets be honest....anyone on Capital Hill calling out anyone else for sexual impropriety is a hypocrite.
Whether what Moore is accused of happened or not aside, the shock and disgust shown by Democrats over him is ridiculously hypocritical and proves that they are willing to lie to utilize propaganda. The same can be said for any Republicans on Capital Hill acting horrified over Conyers.
I feel like this isn't about empowering women anymore and more about empowering the political party you stand for. "How many liberals can you we topple with sex allegations?" "How many conservatives can we topple with sex allegations?" It makes it easy to fight them when you don't have to address their policy positions.