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Democrats in Congress Oppose Tax Cuts For Americans - That is Callous - But They Want Your Vote.

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posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 12:47 PM
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It is the small mom and pops, subcontractors that need the tax break that is permanent in my eyes. Not the multinationals which have more than enough loopholes and the resources to shift money around worldwide.

A lot of tax savings gained will be shifted to the stockholders. I swear I should write a novel about the near future describing that if you are not a stockholder you are not a citizen. Kinda like Starship Troopers sl8ghtly skewed.

I gotta go...




posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth


A flat tax would be superb. Contrary to the propaganda, the rich (not the ultra rich) pay far too much in tax. They get screwed.
A flat tax would spread the cost more fairly and no loopholes would hit the 1% who actually do find exotic ways to avoid paying.


The funny part is the percentages thrown around for a good flat tax to pay for everything are a lot less than what people think. You can still have income brackets but they would only range from 5% to about 18% or less to cover all the brackets. The IRS could be reduced to about a dozen people too...lol



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

A millionaires don't make wage taxes. They make capital gains, but Dems know this and would never raise taxes in this area. They just demogouge over wage taxes.



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3

I don’t care about the democrats. They failed to convince republicans and evangelicals that they had a good healthcare or economics plan. Now it’s in the hands of trump republicans and evangelicals. Let’s see what they can do with the economy and trumpcare.



What is up with all the religious labeling crap in many of your posts? You are throwing around these labels like slurs. As to ACA it was known to be a failure out of the box. It lasted about as long as Obama was in office before it reached critical mass, and for a long time now we all knew it would reach this point of failure as the costs would continually increase and access would continually decrease, so what was good about it when they voted on it while never reading it and not also changing the system so that it would make sense to have?

There is no Trumpcare and there is no Obamacare in the near future with Trump having nothing to do with either being a failure.



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: amfirst1

A millionaires don't make wage taxes. They make capital gains, but Dems know this and would never raise taxes in this area. They just demogouge over wage taxes.


Not everyone is a winner with capital gains...



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: Terminal1
It is the small mom and pops, subcontractors that need the tax break that is permanent in my eyes. Not the multinationals which have more than enough loopholes and the resources to shift money around worldwide.

A lot of tax savings gained will be shifted to the stockholders. I swear I should write a novel about the near future describing that if you are not a stockholder you are not a citizen. Kinda like Starship Troopers sl8ghtly skewed.

I gotta go...


Everyone thinks that 21% is for the rich big corporations, but lets look at the numbers...




In 2014, according to U.S. Census Bureau data, there were 5.83 million employer firms in the United States.

• Firms with fewer than 500 workers accounted for 99.7 percent of those businesses

• Firms with less than 20 workers made up 89.4 percent of businesses.


That is a lot of small businesses that will benefit from this.



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: mikell
Several grand more for me every year so I'm for it and even those that don't pay anything will get more back.



This is what the Dems are scared of (and some RINOs). Once you start seeing the extra cash each month, no amount of propaganda is going to work... this is why the RINOs are trying to push it to 2019 - after the mid terms.



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 01:46 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Evangelicals are a political base. I live in Idaho. There are two voter bases. 80% Mormons and 80% evangelicals all vote the same. Same way in rural counties.

The stock market and coal companies said they are riding high on the promises of this tax cut program for the rich, So it’s trump republicans economy. If they rescind the Obamacare mandate and penalties it’s trumpcare. What’s wrong Owning it?



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

The tax breaks should go completely to the mom and pops and subcontractors that 10/99.

Multinationals should not get a red cent.



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

I couldn't agree more. The band-aid needs to be changed and ripped off the area that needs healing. Now, we can stand around and analyze how it's going to affect the hairs that might get pulled out... ignoring the growing infection for wearing old bandages, or we can change the band aid and allow some new air to breathe over the infection.

It's just fear or stalled progress to bicker about the if's, and's, and butt's. I know I am right by this opinion because the people bickering from both sides agree that something needs to be done to heal citizen concerns... they're just putting all those reasons aside to use it as leverage against the other color involved. Gangsters with ties is all they are... Democrips and Rebloodlicans, just as Ventura's book was titled. Or it's fear... the fear of not knowing what possible outcome may lay on the other side of a large change. Either way, it equates to nothing but stalled progress.

There's a huge difference between recognizing needs for change and acting on needs for change. I will vote for the strongest 3rd party member until that party receives a 5% popular vote. A 5% popular vote in an election equates to equal access to public funds for campaigns... it won't be the red/blue machine that gets it all. That 5% vote is what the Red/Blue machine conspires to keep away, and why they agree magically when 3rd parties show a strong presence.

I am trying to focus on the foundation, so I ignore all the TMZ crap that you voters elected into office. While all the complaining continues, I am calmly and steadily setting up my cryptocurrency accounts as dumb red/blue voters try to kill each other. Bickering and complaining beyond being used as an angle to decide future on does not result in progress... only stand stills, and those standstills can affect things that are personal if we get overly involved. Voters have been buying in to this crap for over a century now, and they should be selling it.

Most of what I feel am provide talking points of this subject require a forward thinking mentality of which is willing to sacrifice the current generations wishes to have a better offering of life for future generations. Sadly, it's going to take Oprah Winfrey or Dwayne Johnson to run for office to get what I am talking about to sink into the subconscious cellf. I would prefer citizens to run the policy making anyway as opposed to career politicians, but I also feel that people shouldn't need to be tricked into voting for their favorite celebrity of past times.

The red/blue influence is crumbling swiftly. I'd advise to not let the global aspects beyond our borders fall to way of forgotten... Spending time learning about the new ages of cryptocurrency would be way more valuable to what political disputes could offer... I promise that!



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Lol. So what happens when their taxbreaks expire in 2025 but the rich people's don't?
edit on 16-12-2017 by Regnor because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 03:43 PM
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The tax cut for businesses is permanent. The tax cuts for anyone earning under $100,000.00 is temporary.
In the long run you'll be paying even more than you are now. But trump will be gone by then so no one will remember that it was his signature that did it.
I'm not giving him credit for the bills creation. He'd sign a Denneys menu if you put it in front of him.

I'm not sure there can be much good in a bill that is this unpopular with citizens. Not just the house and Senate but with citizens. People are protesting their representatives.

I'm not going to pretend I know what this bill will mean. I meet with my accountant in January but that's for this year's taxes. We will discuss what if any changes need to take place for next year's taxes. I would suggest each of you invest in a consultation with an accountant or tax experts like H&R Block or Liberty Tax or who ever to see what it means for you.
Wages aren't going up unless they raise minimum. Businesses aren't growing unless there is an increased demand for their product or service. Gains will go to the owners and board of directors. Trickle down economics is a poets dream but it won't happen in the real world.
Ye who rail against corporate America know they are not about to share the wealth.
Better go and find a way to make your own.



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: lostbook
a reply to: carewemust

As I understand it, the Democrats are against these tax cuts because rich people get permanent cuts while poor people get tax cuts for 10 years, I think. After that time period, poor people's taxes go up.


Corporations get permanent tax cuts. That's essential so they can make long-term expansion plans.

As for what happens with the individual tax-cuts, that's anybody's guess. Depends on who is in Congress and the White House when those tax-cuts expire. But 5 to 10 years of relief is better than 0.

Expansion plans?

What a strange claim, given that "major companies including Cisco Systems Inc., Pfizer Inc. and Coca-Cola Co. say they’ll turn over most gains from proposed corporate tax cuts to their shareholders"...

The rich get richer, the non-rich get nothing. It's the way of things, these days.


Who do you think owns most of these companies?



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Regnor

What happens in 20 years time when people that don't invest are forced to live off of government subsidies? Do you really think that tax levels are going to matter when almost all funds come from government?

People/families that didn't invest into themselves never turned their personal beings into business entities. Business entities get better tax rates than personal beings do. Spending a few hundred dollars setting up a personal investment as a business is easy and pays for itself in tax savings. The people stuck on the personal tax side of taxes are always going to struggle... regardless of what terms of who pays how much is of concern.

People that are keeping up with the Jones' don't invest in themselves... they're spending to save. People that are saving now to spend later don't typically suffer from tax burdens, because the money is tied up in investments. To tally out how much people that invested in themselves/families owes a system that perches up people that don't invest or care to invest is essentially already a makeshift welfare system.

It's a dog eat dog and global world anymore. Stay in history and bicker about tax levels if you want to, but cryptocurrency's are going to change finance in 20 years time. Now, we can choose if we want to be a tax payer in 20 years, or do we want to be welfare collectors. Worrying about a few percentage points of taxes now is almost a certain way to end up on welfare in 20 years if you ask me...



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
The tax cut for businesses is permanent. The tax cuts for anyone earning under $100,000.00 is temporary.
In the long run you'll be paying even more than you are now. But trump will be gone by then so no one will remember that it was his signature that did it.
I'm not giving him credit for the bills creation. He'd sign a Denneys menu if you put it in front of him.


Nothing is permanent..it all can be changed and should as needs come up.



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 03:57 PM
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Stay in history and bicker about tax levels if you want to, but cryptocurrency's are going to change finance in 20 years time.

Yeah, yeah, and soccer is going to become the most popular sport in America. I've only been hearing that since the 80s. I'll believe it when I see it, but I think no way will this happen. They'll use words like "money laundering", "child porn", "terrorist supporting" and the powers that be will crush it.
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posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: Regnor

Governments print money out of thin air. It's costs thousands of dollars in electricity alone to produce a single bitcoin. I don't want people to believe what I am saying.

My point is that people are complaining and crying about taxes but it solves nothing. Part of the reason people are in tax dilemmas to begin with are because they aren't forward thinking enough. People that are not forward thinking will always need others to care for them in the financial world. You think people that trade 8 hours plus a day for money are financially free? No, a job is nothing but a monetary slave system for people that aren't willing to or capable in investing in themselves. It's like they are all saying, "that's ok, let the others figure out the languages of money... I am comfy trading time for scraps." It's one thing if it's used as a tool to start investing, but it's just a crutch if its depended upon for long term growth alone. It's no coincidence that the ones that forgone their personal investments seemingly want more tax dollars from those that did invest... it's an added crutch support.

I really don't care what people do, because I never wanted a thing from anyone and still don't. I will gladly pay taxes, and will for decades on end. Try to take it, tax it heavier, label it a crime against a government... it doesn't matter, because there will be something to take at least. I find it almost comical to see how the specifics of tax debate almost tell the answer of who is going to be where in 20 years in present time format.

Thinking something will happen and it actually happening are two different worlds. Playing only one side of the fence and pointing fingers at what others do is not logical. Believe all you want... I will always be a tax payer for the simple reason that I expand and don't retract.
edit on 16-12-2017 by ttobban because: spelling and added comments



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
The tax cut for businesses is permanent. The tax cuts for anyone earning under $100,000.00 is temporary.
In the long run you'll be paying even more than you are now. But trump will be gone by then so no one will remember that it was his signature that did it.
I'm not giving him credit for the bills creation. He'd sign a Denneys menu if you put it in front of him.

I'm not sure there can be much good in a bill that is this unpopular with citizens. Not just the house and Senate but with citizens. People are protesting their representatives.

I'm not going to pretend I know what this bill will mean. I meet with my accountant in January but that's for this year's taxes. We will discuss what if any changes need to take place for next year's taxes. I would suggest each of you invest in a consultation with an accountant or tax experts like H&R Block or Liberty Tax or who ever to see what it means for you.
Wages aren't going up unless they raise minimum. Businesses aren't growing unless there is an increased demand for their product or service. Gains will go to the owners and board of directors. Trickle down economics is a poets dream but it won't happen in the real world.
Ye who rail against corporate America know they are not about to share the wealth.
Better go and find a way to make your own.


Who knows what will happen in 10 years - the reason the cuts are for 10 years in the first place is that Democrats won't support tax cuts so it is being done through budget reconciliation.

For the next decade, though, the middle class are going to get to keep more of their money and not hand it over to a wasteful govt. Only a fool would be complaining about that.



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 06:34 PM
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originally posted by: ttobban

People that are keeping up with the Jones' don't invest in themselves... they're spending to save. People that are saving now to spend later don't typically suffer from tax burdens, because the money is tied up in investments. To tally out how much people that invested in themselves/families owes a system that perches up people that don't invest or care to invest is essentially already a makeshift welfare system.



In a consumer based society most do this while living beyond their financial capabilities their whole lives. The more people make the more they think about savings and credit. 60%+ of America care little about either so they have no savings and big credit debt while never trying to live within their means.



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 06:34 PM
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originally posted by: Regnor


Lol. So what happens when their taxbreaks expire in 2025 but the rich people's don't?


What rich tax break doesn't expire?




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