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Trump moving US Embassy to Jerusalem recognizing Israeli capital.

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posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut


Israel has granted land to that was once part of its state, to a foreign opposing government. The Palestinians, as a governing national body, did not exist when the state of Israel was established. Israel has been generous in giving up land to the Palestinians.


So what do you say about the illegal settlements then? Where Israelis just go in and steal land? Not to generous.

Also how is taking most of someone's land and giving them a sliver generous?




posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: face23785


Don't blatantly post false propaganda.


Why don't you look up the definition of ethnic cleansing bub.

It's the forced removal of a group of people. It doesn't have to be immediate and it can be done over time.

Palistinians have different colored license plates. They don't have access to all areas of Israel, and if that's not enough for you then explain to me the West Bank or Gaza (essentially prison states). And before you say that's there's, then explain the settlements where Israelis literally go in and steal land.

If you want to say you support Israel for whatever reason go ahead, but do us a favor and don't blatantly post propaganda lying about what's happening


So the forced removal that's taken 70 years and they're still 20% of the population? All the guys who set this ball rolling are dead, dummy.

It's fake. Don't be so gullible.


They used to be about 100% Arab there... So the definition fits. They had to unwillingly move, that's literally the definition of ethnic cleansing.

And of course they'll keep some to do some of the jobs they don't want to.


No, it sure doesn't, since no organized ethnic cleansing has taken place. Some Arabs have been killed in wars. That's not the same thing. You've fallen for propaganda. Put some original thought into it.


So my thoughts aren't original because they don't line up with yours? That's a logical fallacy.


Your thoughts aren't original because you've eaten up propaganda that was designed to mislead you and you refuse to put critical thought into it even when faced with contradictory factual information. You're dedicated to the myth of Israeli "ethnic cleansing" of Arabs, which is demonstrably false. Please learn to think for yourself, don't just believe crap you've been spoon fed.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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Really, there's no big reason to do this. We're fine where it's at. All it really does is throw gas on a fire, and it's sole purpose is to rile people up and stir the pot. It's like Trump want's to start a war, any war.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 03:12 PM
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Not sure what the thinking here is...

This can only inflame what is always a tense situation in Jerusalem.

Not sure this is a good idea.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 04:00 PM
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a reply to: face23785


At least five categories of major violations of international human rights law and humanitarian law characterize the occupation: unlawful killings; forced displacement; abusive detention; the closure of the Gaza Strip and other unjustified restrictions on movement; and the development of settlements, along with the accompanying discriminatory policies that disadvantage Palestinians.


human rights watch

Just because you say something is fake or propaganda doesn't make it so.

And just saying someone is spoon fed is a cop out.

We all have access to vast amounts of information, just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't mean they don't critically think.

People were displaced with the creation of Israel, that's a fact.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 04:42 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: chr0naut


Israel has granted land to that was once part of its state, to a foreign opposing government. The Palestinians, as a governing national body, did not exist when the state of Israel was established. Israel has been generous in giving up land to the Palestinians.


So what do you say about the illegal settlements then? Where Israelis just go in and steal land? Not to generous.

Also how is taking most of someone's land and giving them a sliver generous?


And how about all that music "piracy" too (you know, where they utilize an inappropriate word to try and give a negative aspect to what is actually copying).

The Balfour Declaration was a legal document that allowed Israeli's to settle in their land.

The United Nations in resolution 96 recognized Israel as a state. In UN General Assembly Resolution 273, the UN accepted Israel as a member.

These are legal documents accepted by the international community and grant the sovereignty of Israel over its lands.

To be doing something against the law, requires that there is a codified law that is being broken. There is no such law that prevents Israel from building settlements within its borders.

The settlements that were established, or planned prior to peace accords with the Palestinian authority, are clearly delimited in those agreements and Israel has not impinged upon land allocated by joint agreement to the Palestinian Authority.

There are those who suggest that the Fourth Geneva Convention prohibits moving populations into areas annexed by war and that this is applicable to Israel.

It should be pointed out that the US is illegally occupying California, having moved in populations after the defeat of Mexican forces. Similarly with the American Indian nations.

The truth is that Israel gave the Sinai peninsula back to Egypt and territories which are now Jordanian, back to them. Those territories were won from multinational Arabic forces which attacked Israel on the day of Israel's foundation. That war, was highly illegal, an attempt at genocide. Israel's response was self-defense and legal. Due to the overwhelming forces surrounding it, Israel originally claimed those lands as defensive 'buffer zones' and had every legal right to do so. Now, it has returned those lands.

From an ethical, moral and legal stance, Israel sits in a far higher position than all its opponents and even some of its allies.

The Palestinian Authority has been called out again and again as a supporter of terrorism. If legal jurisprudence were to be justly and universally applied in the region, Israel would not suffer as much as all other Middle Eastern nations.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

I will definitely give you kudos for the response. While I still don't agree with you, I can understand how you have your point of view.

I still hold mine, which is really a state of confusion. It baffles me that after what they experienced after WWII, Israel could be responsible for displacing people from their homes and in some cases, unethical treatment of people.

But again, great comment



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

You didn't claim people were misplaced, and I never denied that. You claimed there was an ethnic cleansing. That's false. Making a straw man argument when you get proven wrong is a cop out.

You were wrong. There was no ethnic cleansing committed by Israel. Period.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 05:30 PM
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Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory by a more powerful ethnic group, often with the intent of making it ethnically homogeneous.

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Calm down there. You keep trying to make this personal "your spoon fed, you don't critically think".

You're not even debating, you're just trying to discredit my opinions. Go get some air.



posted on Nov, 30 2017 @ 05:35 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: face23785


Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory by a more powerful ethnic group, often with the intent of making it ethnically homogeneous.

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Calm down there. You keep trying to make this personal "your spoon fed, you don't critically think".

You're not even debating, you're just trying to discredit my opinions. Go get some air.


There's nothing to debate. A 20% Arab population is not a systematic forced removal and it's not ethnically homogeneous. You just disproved your own propaganda.

If you still believe that #, you've been brainwashed. Sorry if that's painful for you. I won't derail the thread further.
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posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 12:55 AM
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Brainwashed thinking in my opinion is people who blindly support foreign policy that perpetuates war.

How better to keep endless war than convince tax payers to support it.

How's that for original ideas.



posted on Dec, 2 2017 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: lostbook
Uh-oh! Isn't there a prophecy somewhere along the lines of the end-times starting once the capital of Israel is moved to Jerusalem?


No, that would be when Trump orders the oversized garage doors opened at the new US embassy in Jerusalem for the bulldozers to roll out to flatten the temple mount.


Ok, thanks for clearing that up. It is important to note, however, that Trump is trying to move the capital of Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem..



posted on Dec, 2 2017 @ 09:14 PM
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Jerusalem is holy not only to Judaism, but also to Christianity and Islam. Trump won't move the embassy to Jerusalem, unless he wants a very big war.



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: obeseman
Jerusalem is holy not only to Judaism, but also to Christianity and Islam. Trump won't move the embassy to Jerusalem, unless he wants a very big war.


This may be the point. A big war might be just what Trump needs. If there's a war or a conflict then the focus will be taken from Trump; he may even get to stay in power.



posted on Dec, 3 2017 @ 09:30 PM
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It looks like he's being pressured to sign the waiver AGAIN but declare Jerusalem the capital at the same time Wednesdays Speech should be interesting!.



posted on Dec, 5 2017 @ 08:55 PM
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So it's a go then to quote:

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, Jordan's King Abdullah, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi and Saudi Arabia's King Salman, who all received telephone calls from Trump on Tuesday, joined a mounting chorus of voices warning that unilateral U.S. steps on Jerusalem would derail a fledgling U.S.-led peace effort that has stymied previous U.S. administrations and unleash turmoil in the region.

So the markets will be in turmoil too and just wait till the protesting starts!



posted on Dec, 5 2017 @ 08:57 PM
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Well this ought to keep his base salivating while the world falls apart...

Squirrel!



posted on Dec, 5 2017 @ 09:07 PM
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This should put all our minds at ease.....





posted on Dec, 5 2017 @ 09:11 PM
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After careful thought on this, after reading about this the following can be stated:

This is either going to be a blessing in disguise, or something far worse, and will cause more problems, however, the general feeling that this is not going to go well.

Jerusalem is the center of all of the Judaic religions, the three major religions that have roots in history. Judaism is the first, then came Christianity and finally Islam shortly there after. All three have places of worship in that part of the world. Jerusalem has a rich history, going back thousands of years, since its founding, and has been fought over, different people conquoring it time and time again. All cause many of the worlds holy spots are there in that one city.

It should be noted that this city has in recent years, been hotly contested as being the capital of 2 separate countries, namely that of Israel and Palestine both laying claim to this ancient city. Mostly the UN has viewed it as neutral territory and a world heritage spot, as it is far too important to give up for political positions. Even the consulate in Jerusalem is looking at this as a bad idea.

Only time will tell what will happen and could happen.



posted on Dec, 5 2017 @ 09:20 PM
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Mr Abbas, tear down that dome!





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