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Donald Trump retweets far-right ultra nationalist group Britain First videos , Oi Vey !

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posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 09:05 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: nonspecific

Arrested for a speech. Good old English values.


Do you know what she said in the speech?

Our laws differ as we know but I like ours better.


I don’t know what she said. But arresting them only furthers their cause. Even the fire-breathing Islamists should be able to speak, where they can echo away in silence.


i thijnk she is lookinjg to be a martyr personally but she will get a battering if she goes down, golding had himself put in solitary for his own safety I think, theres a fair few non whites in our jails lol.

At the end of the day if she is inciting hate and violence then she's going to prison, its not really a free speech thing just dont try and get others to attack and intimidate people, quite simle really.


I’ve heard that. I’ve also heard that many inmates convert to Islam in the UK.

I take issue with the “inciting hate” nonsense myself. At the end of the day it’s censorship, a common property found in authoritarian, totalitarian, fascist, and theocratic regimes.


Yeah we will always disagree on that.

Here you can say pretty much what you like until you start suggesting violence and that is not a bad thing.

So I can say I think Theresa May is a fat ugly idiotic waste of air and her christian religion is nonsense with nothing to worry about but if I say that and add I we shouldl go round her house and set it on fire while she sleeps then im #ed.


That sounds frightening. Things of that nature could be said in jest, or hyperbole, or what have you.

I think there is ample evidence hate speech codes do not work, especially in the one occasion where it should have, Weimar Germany. Nazis And their propaganda rags were thrown in jail on numerous occasions before they rose to power. Hitler himself brings up this argument.


It is pretty easy to establish if a threat is real or in jest, a mate of mine posted on facebook about his dislike of some celebrety saying he hated her show that much he was going to find out where she lived and go round and smash her in with a hammer and the police turned up a few days later and arrested him. Turns out it went a bit viral and she saw it herself so a single lady seeing that a random stranger wanted to kill her freaked her out a lot. Once he explained and they explained that she had to go and stay in a hotel while they found him to make sure he was not a proper nutter they let him go.

ATS has rules on what words you can use and how you can spek to people and that works pretty well on the whole.
edit on 29/11/2017 by nonspecific because: (no reason given)




posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 09:16 PM
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originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: nonspecific

Arrested for a speech. Good old English values.


Do you know what she said in the speech?

Our laws differ as we know but I like ours better.


I don’t know what she said. But arresting them only furthers their cause. Even the fire-breathing Islamists should be able to speak, where they can echo away in silence.


i thijnk she is lookinjg to be a martyr personally but she will get a battering if she goes down, golding had himself put in solitary for his own safety I think, theres a fair few non whites in our jails lol.

At the end of the day if she is inciting hate and violence then she's going to prison, its not really a free speech thing just dont try and get others to attack and intimidate people, quite simle really.


I’ve heard that. I’ve also heard that many inmates convert to Islam in the UK.

I take issue with the “inciting hate” nonsense myself. At the end of the day it’s censorship, a common property found in authoritarian, totalitarian, fascist, and theocratic regimes.


Yeah we will always disagree on that.

Here you can say pretty much what you like until you start suggesting violence and that is not a bad thing.

So I can say I think Theresa May is a fat ugly idiotic waste of air and her christian religion is nonsense with nothing to worry about but if I say that and add I we shouldl go round her house and set it on fire while she sleeps then im #ed.


That sounds frightening. Things of that nature could be said in jest, or hyperbole, or what have you.

I think there is ample evidence hate speech codes do not work, especially in the one occasion where it should have, Weimar Germany. Nazis And their propaganda rags were thrown in jail on numerous occasions before they rose to power. Hitler himself brings up this argument.


It is pretty easy to establish if a threat is real or in jest, a mate of mine posted on facebook about his dislike of some celebrety saying he hated her show that much he was going to find out where she lived and go round and shash her in with a hemmer and the police turned up a few days later and arrested him. Turns out it went a bit viral and she saw it herself so a single lady seeing that a random stranger wanted to kill her freaked her out a lol. Once he explained and they explained that she had to go and stay in a hotel while they found him to make sure he was not a proper butter they let him go.

ATS has rules on what words you can use and how you can spek to people and that works pretty well on the whole.


Crazy story.

I find that exposing people to ideas and words they do not like toughens them up.

I agree with Milton and JS Mill, titans of British thought back when there was such a thing as British thought. Censorship speech is to rob the human race of the opportunity to change his opinions, and watch Truth collide with error. Reading say, Mein Kempf, does not incite hatred for instance. If anything it incites hatred against the author.



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: nonspecific

Arrested for a speech. Good old English values.


Do you know what she said in the speech?

Our laws differ as we know but I like ours better.


I don’t know what she said. But arresting them only furthers their cause. Even the fire-breathing Islamists should be able to speak, where they can echo away in silence.


i thijnk she is lookinjg to be a martyr personally but she will get a battering if she goes down, golding had himself put in solitary for his own safety I think, theres a fair few non whites in our jails lol.

At the end of the day if she is inciting hate and violence then she's going to prison, its not really a free speech thing just dont try and get others to attack and intimidate people, quite simle really.


I’ve heard that. I’ve also heard that many inmates convert to Islam in the UK.

I take issue with the “inciting hate” nonsense myself. At the end of the day it’s censorship, a common property found in authoritarian, totalitarian, fascist, and theocratic regimes.


Yeah we will always disagree on that.

Here you can say pretty much what you like until you start suggesting violence and that is not a bad thing.

So I can say I think Theresa May is a fat ugly idiotic waste of air and her christian religion is nonsense with nothing to worry about but if I say that and add I we shouldl go round her house and set it on fire while she sleeps then im #ed.


That sounds frightening. Things of that nature could be said in jest, or hyperbole, or what have you.

I think there is ample evidence hate speech codes do not work, especially in the one occasion where it should have, Weimar Germany. Nazis And their propaganda rags were thrown in jail on numerous occasions before they rose to power. Hitler himself brings up this argument.


It is pretty easy to establish if a threat is real or in jest, a mate of mine posted on facebook about his dislike of some celebrety saying he hated her show that much he was going to find out where she lived and go round and shash her in with a hemmer and the police turned up a few days later and arrested him. Turns out it went a bit viral and she saw it herself so a single lady seeing that a random stranger wanted to kill her freaked her out a lol. Once he explained and they explained that she had to go and stay in a hotel while they found him to make sure he was not a proper butter they let him go.

ATS has rules on what words you can use and how you can spek to people and that works pretty well on the whole.


Crazy story.

I find that exposing people to ideas and words they do not like toughens them up.

I agree with Milton and JS Mill, titans of British thought back when there was such a thing as British thought. Censorship speech is to rob the human race of the opportunity to change his opinions, and watch Truth collide with error. Reading say, Mein Kempf, does not incite hatred for instance. If anything it incites hatred against the author.


I think your distain of the English is misguided and possibly comes from a lot of horror stories your government tells about our socialist views but our government does the same to us about you so maybe best not to listen to the self serving bastards all that much.

Freedom of speech is a fine concept but one that needs careful thought and consideration to be allowed for all.

I an happy with our laws as I know I will never fall foul of them and it keeps those unable to understand the outcome of their actions in check.

You have people like those western baptists saying all kind of nasty stuff and hiding behind the law and that is sad.



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 09:26 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: thesaneone


I love tacos....




I know, world peace through tacos.



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: thesaneone


If only Trump tweeted about tacos.




posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

he did
the msm had a fit over it during the campaign
called him racist
#happycincodemayo



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 09:36 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

Dude, your splitting hairs and ignoring the premise of the article. I'm not going to change your positive concept of Trump.

I guess in your mind and other supporters a great leader is someone who is a pathological liar, lacks any sense of credibility, acts like a high school name calling bully, loves to declare "fake news" when the news corrects him on facts, needs constant praise which is a clear sign of narcissism, has 13 women accusing him of sexual molestation, has contradicted points on issues made on the campaign trail, had numerous bankruptcies, reneged on his promise to submit his tax statement after his audit was complete, has numerous pending lawsuits, hasn't proven his great "negotiating skills" with democrats or his own party, has created political divisiveness, has made statements that clearly shows his bigotry, fired many of his own hirings, won't acknowledge that Russia interfered with our election even after the Russian ads were exposed, and overall he's simply incompetent on the system of checks and balances and how government operates.

I can list of few more, but geesh, at some point in time people like you have to put party bias aside and acknowledge the true character of our chosen leader.

Good luck with that!



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 09:43 PM
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a reply to: WeRpeons

you are full of crap and are ranting about everything except what i actually posted

again please post trumps support for bf because all i saw was someone sharing videos
please post where i called trump a great leader
as i have not
the rest of your rant is off topic bs
start your own you hate trump for those reasons thread
just because i dont hate him doesnt mean i support everything he does



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 09:48 PM
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where would trump find the video? did he retweet it directly from them and does he frequent their page often? i'm sure you guys would have all been happy as a clam if obama would have retweeted blm documenting police brutality.



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 09:50 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

He is supporting them by retweeting their video, he has just handed them all this free press and exposed his 44million followers to them.

Him doing this provides them with support



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Is it true Jayda Fransen is facing prison time for a speech?


Not sure on the details but it was in poland I think, I wont go into details as to many trigger words and will set you off again.


Apparently it was Belfast, And she was arrested in London. No wonder far right groups are on the rise: they do not have free speech.


It’s definitely an arguable case you make there... the free speech part, not the far right uprising.
There is also the likelyhood that if she had incited religious hatred and provoked sectarian animosity/violence anywhere else in the UK, nothing much would have happened...

But that’s just not going to go over well in the middle of Belfast, for glaringly obvious reasons.



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

if these videos were created by bf i would agree with you
the videos were not created by bf
trump made no statement about the videos or bf
one does not have to support bf to think the actions in the videos are bad



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 09:55 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

if these videos were created by bf i would agree with you
the videos were not created by bf
trump made no statement about the videos or bf
one does not have to support bf to think the actions in the videos are bad


The retweet if the bf tweet was enough.

He should not have done that.

It’s quite simple



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 10:00 PM
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He is supporting them by retweeting their video.


I disagree. His sole motivation for the retweet is the fact that it fits his narrative, I doubt he had any intention of offering support to Britain First, I assume he would have retweeted the videos no matter who posted them.


...he has just handed them all this free press and exposed his 44million followers to them.


The only way that would affect people like us (Brits) is if it gained them more support in Britain...
But I’m confident with the idea that everyone in Britain already knows who they are and has picked a side already.

They will continue to remain an irrelevant and powerless group.



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 10:00 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

seems to me he retweeted ann coulter

unless you have other evidence trump supports bf



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 10:02 PM
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a reply to: Notwhatitseems

You have a PM/U2U. Click the white envelope at the top of the page...




posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 10:02 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

Actually I kind of agree.

I don’t think he realises what he was retweeting and has now dug himself a even deeper hole. Just look at his last tweet to the PM



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

trump tweeted a response to your pm

good for him
he does not have to kowtow to any other world leader



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Trump supporters have no problem, they defeated Chairman Hillary and Kommie Sanders! That's a bigly yuge solution, not a problem!




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