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Trump should respond to North Korea's ICBM launch

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posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct


...and we'll retaliate with total nuclear annihilation.

NK knows better. In fact, much like Syria (and Russia), we could lob 60 Tomahawks at the launch pad that missile came from and NK wouldn't dare release a mean spirited statement. Despots only understand force and violence, those vying for diplomatic solutions are not only misinformed, but have no true idea how the world works.

You never answer violence with anything other than violence. Doing so is a good way to get slapped across the face when you least expect it. Only when it involves a power armed with illegal weapons of mass destruction, that slap becomes a lot more potent and meaningful.

NK must go. We should strike with everything we've got when they're least expecting it. Kim has to come out from under his rock sometime, and US nuclear Limited Attack Options should be waiting when he does




posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 12:00 PM
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start routine fly overs dropping mre packs apologizing for their leader not feeding them and to have a meal on us over poor villages maybe drop a container of mres and med supplies.



posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

ICBM is not "missile defence", it is preparation for a preemptive strike. They should be dealt with now before they can do any more damage. They must be dealt with eventually.



posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: JBurns


My rant makes as much sense as Trump's actions and Tweets. So whatever with your defense of Moore. He's gross, so you can have him.

As for what should be done wtih North Korea, it has reached a stalemate. Here's why. If the U.S. attacks North Korea, then a modern city of 20 million people only 35 miles from the DMZ will be virtually destroyed. After after the fire and fury, to use bone spur's words, the U.S. would need to fight a 3 million+ person army.

China is bound by treaty to defend North Korea should it be struck preemptively. China is a country of more than a billion people, with an arsenal of 120 to 400 weapons of mass destruction (that we know about). They could turn weapons on the U.S. and territories in the region.

Trump, ironically, will be okay no matter what happens. He may even amass more power, which is what he craves. In the event of an all-out war, where parts of the U.S. are destroyed, he will enjoy nearly unlimited power once martial law is declared. He will continue tweeting from a bunker somewhere, while we suckers are out to fend for ourselves.

There is no easy answer on North Korea. Jong Un may be a tinpot dictator, but he holds a lot of leverage over the region.



posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: icanteven


a 3+ million person army that would suffer from lack of food/nutrition, lack of supplies, no command & control (thanks to NSA/EW) and total demoralization (thanks to PSYOPS - like showing them pictures of SK, instantly destroying their communist paradise delusions).

Additionally, we are very effective at countering large troop concentrations and using area denial methods to route and constrain their movements. NK has no ability to project force outside of its country, nor does it have air/naval superiority. We could strike their massive army with precision guided ordnance that would take them out without any US lives being at risk.

No doubt they would *initially* try to attack SK, but ROK/USFK have a well rehearsed kill chain, which identifies and locates the source of attacks, and gives that location a pasting with heavy explosive ordnance. Additionally, ROK/USFK are prepared to decapitate the regime and isolate their units from anything resembling a command structure.

Your analysis of the situation is lacking, and grossly underestimates our superiority over NK forces.


They could turn weapons on the U.S. and territories in the region.


And we'd shoot a majority of them down, some would miss their targets as well. Besides, even one WMD use by NK would result in our SSBNs firing salvos containing hundreds of nuclear warheads at NK and leveling the entire country. This is known as counter-value second strike in nuclear warfare doctrine.

We literally have the ability to wipe the entire country off the face of this Earth. KJU wouldn't dare use WMDs against us.

US Conventional and asymmetric forces have every advantage, and there is absolutely no such stalemate. They can inflict minimal to moderate damage. We can inflict total destruction. There is no comparison between our capabilities and NK's 70 year old communist hardware, starving army (most of the army are actually field workers) and total lack of logistics.

Furthermore, China will never let the situation reach the point of nuclear warfare. There is nothing stopping China from immediately sending in millions of soldiers to capture the entire country, depose KJU's dictatorship and assume control of their nuclear weapons/government. I'm perfectly fine with this scenario, as it allows USFK to be disbanded and returns control of the South's defenses to the one real Korea (the ROK).

I can only imagine your outrage if POTUS was murdering American citizens for not acknowledging his greatness or kissing his ass eagerly enough. Yet, the majority of leftists in this thread have been conspicuously silent about NK's total lack of human rights and crimes against all of humanity. In fact, some of your compatriots have gone so far as to defend this war criminal tyrant. I don't think I could tolerate keeping such company, personally I'd like to see them GTFO and go live with their buddy in NK and then tell me how much of a victim KJU really is. I realize victimhood is popular with the left, but really.. it isn't very becoming of anyone.

I say no more. Whatever the cost in human lives, it will be less now than letting this fester for another 6 months/1 year/5 years/10 years/25 years. The longer we wait to totally and utterly destroy KJU's regime, the more friendly casualties we will face. People die in war. We didn't ask for this war, but since it is already here we sure as hell are going to end it. Maybe our fearless leaders will learn that next time leaving a situation with an armistice (ceaase fire, still at war) is a terrible idea. Either finish them off entirely or get involved in the first place - either way, leaving things open ended for tyrannical pudgletts isn't the answer.

But I totally get the apologists/defenders and propagandists in here. You can't allow yet another communist/socialist regime to collapse as it would reinforce the total failure of such ideologies. They can stick up for their buddies (Kim, Mao, Stalin, Maduro, Castro, etc) all they want. History will look back at these times - in the same way we look at Nazis, Vietcong, Soviets, Mao's China - and judge them appropriately. History will judge our Republic as superior to these lesser forms of government/society.
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posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 02:32 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: icanteven


Your analysis of the situation is lacking, and grossly underestimates our superiority over NK forces.



In your wall of words, you didn't even address the point I made about the Sino-North Korean treaty. No matter.

But, it sounds like you have it all figured out. Because I lack your superior intellect, I'll be on my way.



posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: BlackmoonJester
a reply to: intrptr

ICBM is not "missile defence", it is preparation for a preemptive strike. They should be dealt with now before they can do any more damage. They must be dealt with eventually.


Thats what the people living in the northern half of the Korean Peninsula think about the US carrier groups exercising off their coast. The only real threat posed by their nuclear deterrent is to the battle groups. They are all well within range. They are the sole target should hostilities erupt.

But I bet they won't use them on missiles, they'll sneak up near a carrier or amphibious landing force with a sub and... corks bobbing on the ocean.

Chinese Song Class sub surfaces near US carrier



posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 03:35 PM
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Do you really believe China is going to risk their domination of the 21st century over NK? If they eliminate this problem unilaterally, China is the pre-eminent power in the entire region, and demonstrates to the world its ability to solve problems outside of China. If China gets involved, they risk nuclear war with the US. China only maintains enough nuclear weapons to inflict "unacceptable damages and losses" not "total and grave destruction" like the United States/Russia. There is nearly zero chances of such a conflict breaking out between the three major world powers.

The only value NK has to China is acting as a buffer zone between USFK and China. Once communist NK is gone (maybe even with China as the new government), USFK won't need to be in country any longer. ROK would be protected against China by US nuclear umbrella (since they're our ally, such an agree would be a no-brainer). Other than land, NK is worthless. It doesn't make China money, it can't buy China's junk en masse (like we do) nor can they contribute militarily to China (NK can't project its force elsewhere, minus its very small and totally unproven missile force).

And I didn't say anything about superior intellect, but implying NK could do anything more than bloody our noses (compared to what we would do to them) is simply not representative of reality. Why on Earth would anyone (yourself included) advocate giving someone far worse than Hitler time to build more WMDs? You do realize the Kim dynasty is a totalitarian and murderous criminal against humanity, right?

...or have you been in a US higher education institution within the past few years? You know, the ones that teach this romanticized idea about communism/socialism while ignoring the millions of lives these failed totalitarian ideologies have taken.



posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: intrptr


That's a great plan, provided they want dozens of MIRV carrying Trident SLBMs launched with extreme prejudice. A single Trident SLBM carries more than 10 MIRV nuclear warheads - he'll do nothing of the sort.


In military and other covert operations, terminate with extreme prejudice is a euphemism for aggressive execution (playing on the expression "termination with prejudice" of an employment contract).



posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: intrptr


That's a great plan, provided they want dozens of MIRV carrying Trident SLBMs launched with extreme prejudice. A single Trident SLBM carries more than 10 MIRV nuclear warheads - he'll do nothing of the sort.


In military and other covert operations, terminate with extreme prejudice is a euphemism for aggressive execution (playing on the expression "termination with prejudice" of an employment contract).


If their country is already under attack with "Fire and Fury the likes the world has never seen" --Trump (paraphrased), then we can expect nothing less than their full retaliation.

But get this, China came to koreas aid last time... both china and Russia have warned the uS this time and have massed troops on the North Korean border.

Consider: If Hitler had nukes, would he have used them? Saddam Hussein? Milosovich?



posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 04:04 PM
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all trump has to do is promise nk as chinas next province if they let us topple lil kim regime and maybe throw thim a trade agreement bone then we could use up to minute intel to guide precision strikes on kim , launch facilities and nuke depot and reactor facilities whole thing could be done with cruise missiles armed with conventional warheads and a few bombers with bunker busters for hardened targets



posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 04:31 PM
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I agree completely.

Even if we don't talk about the ridiculous idea of setting up & enforcing a "no fly zone" over North Korea, there's the whole issue of Seoul being a few dozen miles from the North Korean border. Virtually all of South Korea's major companies are there, as is roughly half of their entire nation's population. We're talking Samsung, LG, Hyundai, the major K-Pop labels, etc (lol yeah, I put K-Pop on the same level as those multinational powerhouses). The ridiculously vague plan in the OP's article is way too risky and puts far too many people & industries in danger.



posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 04:32 PM
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originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: intrptr

all trump has to do is promise nk as chinas next province if they let us topple lil kim regime and maybe throw thim a trade agreement bone then we could use up to minute intel to guide precision strikes on kim , launch facilities and nuke depot and reactor facilities whole thing could be done with cruise missiles armed with conventional warheads and a few bombers with bunker busters for hardened targets

US is in a position to promise or demand nothing from China.

A militaristic approach to foreign affairs without an economy to back it is pointless. The Soviet Union discovered that.

Their Paradigm lasted about 50 years after WWII.



posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 09:32 PM
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originally posted by: fleabit




Why people keep defending that sad country and their dictator family boggles the mind. It's as if they don't threaten other countries on a regular basis.. or are not involved in illicit dealings to make money.. or abuse their citizens.. or have nothing resembling a fair legal system.. the list goes on and on, but.. woe for poor sad mistreated NK!



Our country own the other hand does not threaten, we act, right?
Countries that threaten like Iraq, Syria, and so on and other small countries do it as a potential act to ward off attack.
We spend trillions on our military so there is no need to threaten, we just go in and carpet bomb them all!

We talk about the abuse of their citizens, but yet we have more people in prison as a percentage than them in North Korea for victimless crimes, we talk about their illicit dealings but have more pedophiles and fraudsters in and around our government than ever, we talk about their unfair legal system and yet politicians in our country change the laws on the drop of the hat to benefit their deep pocket cronies. There is no law when lawmakers control the law books.

Nope, our country has done more damage around in the world in the last 30 years than anything North Korea can even try and compete with. Every war we get involved in only makes the world a worse place. We have been at war since the end of WW2 and the world is not a safer place. Looks like a failure to me like the "war on poverty" and the "war on drugs".

Best to let other countries on that side of the pond take some responsibility and give the finger to the warmongers and profiteers on this side of the pond that want to steal more of my money so they can grab their balls and holler how great they are.


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posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

A 15-20 year recession? No problem, man.

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Well we just went through that with since 2000. Tax cuts, stimulus and 3 massive rounds of quantitative easing just masked parts of it.

Besides war is good for the Economy isn't it?

If North Korea makes a wrong decision, things will not go well. Everyone will suffer, some more than others.


So you approve of murdering people if it makes you money as a side benefit?



posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 09:47 PM
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I am curious what people think about PNAC with what is going on.
Project for a New American Century which we do not hear about much anymore.

en.wikipedia.org...


They argued that American conservatives were "adrift" in the area of foreign policy, advocated a "more elevated vision of America's international role," and suggested that the United States' should adopt a stance of "benevolent global hegemony


GAG - Another redefinition of conquer and divide. All countries in the past were involved in "benevolent" hegemony.
Sounds like preemptive strike rather than first attack!

Aside from North Korea, what are some of the pro war peoples thoughts on it.

The standard of living for the average American has declined thanks to these Globalist Ambitions while it has made others richer. So, PNAC does not benefit the majority of Americans.

Globalists sided with Communist China on the cheap labor level, so hopefully more in our country side with the China on the war level where they push the globalists out of their area.

Nationalism is a scam to profiteers.


The Globlalist MOTTO is:
If there is money to be made as a globalist, selling out my country, I am a globalist, if there is money to be protected globally by my nation,
I am a nationalist.
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posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 10:01 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: icanteven

Uh huh...

And what does anything in your unconscious rant have to do with the tinpot communist dictator in NK?

Besides, haven't you heard? There isn't actually any evidence Moore did anything illegal.


But communists are awesome though if you can use their cheap slave labor



posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 11:13 PM
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originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

A 15-20 year recession? No problem, man.

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Well we just went through that with since 2000. Tax cuts, stimulus and 3 massive rounds of quantitative easing just masked parts of it.

Besides war is good for the Economy isn't it?

If North Korea makes a wrong decision, things will not go well. Everyone will suffer, some more than others.


So you approve of murdering people if it makes you money as a side benefit?


No. Its a fine line trying to do irony or dark humor. I hope for things to be resolved without major loss of life on any side.



posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 11:15 PM
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So, without military action. On the part of either side.

I agree.



posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 11:47 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: pavil

So, without military action. On the part of either side.

I agree.


Ideally. Things like this seldom turn out ideal sadly. It could eaisly spiral out of control, similar to how events led up to the start of WWI. Not that this will lead to a World War.



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