The Flat Earth "conspiracy" and a glaring error by those who suppport it...

a reply to: turbonium1

Proof that the Earth is a sphere has been pointed out to you so many times, on so many threads, that I have to call you out on this. You're trolling us all. Come on, admit it, you're trying to get people to respond by making absurd statements.

a reply to: turbonium1

i is begining to suspect that your dishonesty is pathological

these a non exhaustive list of the observations and experiments that you willfully ignore demonstrating the speroid earth :

1 - polaris

2 - sigma octantis

3 - eclipses [ both solar and lunar ]

4 - longitude measurements in the southern hemisphere

5 - libration of the moon [ and the measured distance of the moon ]

6 - foucoaults pendulum

7 - transits of venus // retrograde motions of mars

8 - Coriolis force

9 - midnight sun // days of darkness [ at both poles ]

10 - Eratosthenes experiment

PS - beffore anyone replies - some of the above actually adress geocentricism delusions - but as i has never seen a heliocentric flat earth claim ............

a reply to: turbonium1

What does any of that have to do with accepting the Earth as flat, sphere, square, or 5-pointed starfish??

You consistently reject all the proof offered, whether through abstract reasoning or direct observation. In other words, you reject the very possibility of "proof," and therefore consider knowledge impossible. You have made similar assertions on threads concerning spaceflight. Given that you are using technology to propagate your extreme solipsism, you cannot possibly be either that naive... or sincere.



i put it to you that you are not expressing your own world view, but are intentionally attempting to dupe others into losing faith in reason, logic, observation, the scientific method and, ultimately, the possibility of knowing the truth about the world around them. Are you doing this for your own twisted amusement, or is it part of a larger agenda?

a reply to: turbonium1

Double post. --DJW001

a reply to: 23432

thankyou for :

another display of utter scientific illiteracy

you dont even understand what occams razor actualy says

further your dishonest obsesion with visible curcature :

1 - fails to understand what you should be able to see and under what conditions

2 - deliberatly ignores all direct observations of the speroid earth and indirect calculations that validate the theory

but hey - style over substance - why actually answer questions when you can hide behind dishonest pictures

ATS is a discussion forum - discuss .........................

a reply to: 23432


Occam's Razor suggests that you and Turbonium are just trolls.

Wow that shows a lack of understanding of scams razor. You created a paradox, for example I can say all ravens are black. Now to prove this I could look at objects that are not black and verify they are not a raven. So we have an Orange,its not black and not a raven. But this in no way proves all ravens are black. Realistically, the set of ravens is finite. The set of non-black things is either infinite or beyond human enumeration. To confirm the statement 'All ravens are black', it would be necessary to observe all ravens. This is difficult but possible. To confirm the statement 'All non-black things are non-ravens', it would be necessary to examine all non-black things. This is not possible. So in effect you warp a statement to make proof impossible because you added information not relative to the situation.

If I'm trying to use occams razor to flat earth we have to look at what conditions it adds to be true. For example a flat earth would add lots of conditions making proof impossible. For example we would need to explain where wind comes from. We would need to explain why its warmer at the equator.we would need explain why planets move backwards in the sky. We would need to come up with a viable explanation for ocean currents. We would need to explain why earth genrerates a magnetic field. I can keep going but just like our ravens you took a statement and tried to prove it by ignoring logic.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: turbonium1

Proof that the Earth is a sphere has been pointed out to you so many times, on so many threads, that I have to call you out on this. You're trolling us all. Come on, admit it, you're trying to get people to respond by making absurd statements.

No, I'm pointing out facts/evidence, or lack of facts/evidence.

There is NO proof that Earth is a sphere. No proof of the 8 in. per mile curvature.

That is not "trolling". It is about facts/evidence.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: 23432

thankyou for :

another display of utter scientific illiteracy

you dont even understand what occams razor actualy says

further your dishonest obsesion with visible curcature :

1 - fails to understand what you should be able to see and under what conditions

2 - deliberatly ignores all direct observations of the speroid earth and indirect calculations that validate the theory

but hey - style over substance - why actually answer questions when you can hide behind dishonest pictures

ATS is a discussion forum - discuss .........................

First of all, calling people dishonest and trolls is not a "discussion". So why don't you take your own advice, before telling anyone else what to do.

So let's discuss curvature, instead of this childish name-calling crap....

You claim the Earth has a curvature which would be about 8 inches per mile.

Do airplanes account for curvature, or not?

An airplane must rely on accurate altitude readings, obviously.

Flying at 580 mph, over an 8 in per mile curvature, would be 4640 inches per hour, or 386.6 feet per hour.

At 580 mph, the plane would need to be in a constant descent rate of 6.44 feet PER MINUTE, just to maintain the same altitude.

Most plane altimeters use air pressure at sea level to measure altitude. Altitude errors occur in extreme cold conditions, and must be adjusted to maintain accurate readings.

In general, an airplane flies level throughout its flight, at the same altitude, until it begins its descend to land.

No matter how big the sphere is, you cannot fly above it and stay level throughout, at the same altitude, unless you are in a CONSTANT DESCENT THROUGHOUT THE FLIGHT.

In order to fly constantly above a sphere, the nose of the plane would have to pitch downward throughout the flight. It would never fly level to the ground, because the ground itself would never be level. To follow around a ball, you must fly in an arc.

The aircraft variometer measures the rate of ascent and decent. Every airplane would have to set its variometer for a constant rate of desecent, to match the curvature. No airplane sets its veriometer for a constant descent.

The aircraft also has a vertical speed indicator, which indicates whether the plane is climbing, descending, or in level flight.

How the VSI Works
The vertical speed indicator is made up of a diaphragm inside of an airtight instrument casing. The diaphragm is connected by linkage and gears to the needle on the face of the instrument. Static pressure lines are connected to both the inside of the diaphragm and the instrument casing. The casing surrounding the diaphragm has a metered leak, which helps reflect the rate of climb of descent.

Pressure changes are measured instantaneously within the diaphragm as it expands and contracts from the pressure. The metered leak in the surrounding instrument casing also measures the pressure change, but the leak provides an intentional lag, allowing the instrument to measure the pressure change more gradually than inside the diaphragm.

This lag comes from the consistent pressure leak and the corresponding rate of climb or descent as it's measured on the instrument needle in feet per minute. After a few seconds of level flight, the two pressures equalize and the vertical speed indicator shows '0' feet per minute (fpm).

www.thebalance.com...

So let's go over this -

An airplane flies level throughout most of its flight, since the VSI reads 0 feet per minute

The Earth's curvature would require a plane flying 580 mph to fly at a CONSTANT descent rate of 6.44 feet per minute.


No plane flies in a constant descent.


Proving the Earth is flat.

The VSI does not measure if the ground below is level, curved, or a mountain range. It measures whether the plane itself is climbing, descending, or level, within air. It does not matter what altitude the plane is flying at, or if the plane is flying above a gigantic ball.

The VSI reads 0 feet per minute, and the altitude above the ground is constant.

a reply to: turbonium1

before ATTEMPTING to discuss anything - please learn how fixed wing flight actually works

critical items include :

why do fixed wing aircraft have an altitude ceiling ?

why does the max take of mass decrease // required runway length increase with runway altitude ?

then get back to us

because - your scientific lilliteracy is on show AGAIN - and its embarassing

a reply to: 23432

??????????????????????
So.... basic physics is a conspiracy?

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: 23432

??????????????????????
So.... basic physics is a conspiracy?

There is no curvature to oceans anywhere .

Please trust your senses and trust your own eyes .

a reply to: 23432

interesting that ships seem to sink into the horizon when traveling across the ocean, as a few members have already pointed out though

yup.. totally flat

lol

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: 23432

interesting that ships seem to sink into the horizon when traveling across the ocean, as a few members have already pointed out though

yup.. totally flat

lol

Key words " seem to sink ".

The ships don't sink into horizon ; you are confusing the limitations of human eye sight with supposed curvature of Earth.


It is ok to admit that you have never seen this supposed curvature but always inferred it's existence .

There are 100's of independent video clips proving you wrong on this point .

Ignore them at your own leisure .

a reply to: 23432

There are 100's of independent video clips proving you wrong on this point .

Where?

originally posted by: EvidenceNibbler
a reply to: 23432

There are 100's of independent video clips proving you wrong on this point .

Where?

Youtube search nikon p900 flat earth .

a reply to: 23432

The ships don't sink into horizon ; you are confusing the limitations of human eye sight with supposed curvature of Earth.

No actually... im telling you what factually happens



Nifty eh.... see how REALITY works?