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At a Navajo veterans' event, Trump makes 'Pocahontas' crack

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posted on Nov, 28 2017 @ 05:19 PM
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a reply to: ChiefTruth

Yep, might as well not distinguish between Japanese and Chinese, or Vietnamese either.
The ignorance on ATS as of late is astounding and sad.




posted on Nov, 28 2017 @ 06:06 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t


Maybe not, but bringing this issue up during the event in the first place was the wrong move.

Perhaps, but it does seem to be human nature to continue to attack weaknesses once found. The liberal side of the aisle has demonstrated that quite well over the past couple of decades. Maybe Trump is a fast learner?


I HIGHLY disagree with this assessment

Facts do not require your agreement. What is, is, what was, was, and what will be, will be.


First off, I don't say pretty much most to all of those things.

Oh, I seem to remember you have been a pretty vocal critic of Trump since his name was spoken on ATS... maybe you didn't jump on those particular topics, but you have certainly jumped on plenty of other similar ones.


Second off, even if I did, I'm not a politician. Nor am I speaking at a public event.

Cop-out. You are as much a citizen as Donald Trump, and he you. Please, pick a standard.


The people supporting it also make up quite a few insane things about how it will work too. Like that it will fund itself through economic growth.

I would say "insane" refers very well to any assumption that taxes do not affect GDP growth. History shows us they do.


I need to realize nothing.

Correction: you have to realize nothing.

What you need will be borne out by history. I just tried to give you a clue as to what's coming. Feel free to ignore it.

The country is tired of the name-calling from the left. The liberals have had their way unopposed because of fear for quite some time, and they have used their power to destroy the lives of everyone who disagreed with their policies through personal destruction. Liz Warren has been a primary contributor; even now she claims the nickname she feels is beneath her is racist because it is applied to someone as superior as she. The truth is that she despises the native peoples and considers them inferior to herself. Those who support her apparently feel the same way. Thirty years ago, back when we still used words that had been defined for centuries without feeling a need to redefine them on the fly, that was called "racism." Martin Luther King, Jr. spoke against it and dreamed against it. Tens of thousands marched, and many died, to combat it.

Today, that word has been redefined to mean one who uses a politically incorrect word or who opposes policy offered by the elite. Sorry, but normal people don't want, need, or understand this fascination with redefinition. Normal people want all racists prevented from causing harm to others by race-based discrimination, and they simply do not care what some pundit has decided racism means today.

And there's a lot more of us than there are of you. How else do you explain Trump winning, despite every media outlet and every reporter looking for and exposing as much dirt as they could dig up, sift through, or fabricate?

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 28 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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originally posted by: ChiefTruth

originally posted by: nightbringr


So now we need to hold Navajos apart from all other Native Americans? Heaven forbid you mistake a Cherokee for a Dakota! The shame!

Sorry bub ain't buying it or your liberal SJW bull.


You do know that the Navajo and Cherokee are different tribes right. That we Native Americans/First Nations have different tribes with their own distinct language, culture and beliefs.

Contrary to what you believe, we are not one big group.

Right. Divisiveness is best!

I'm of Irish decent. Do I get angry when someone mistakes me for Dutch? Nope.

Sorry, just not that sensitive. And to me, we are all one people.
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posted on Nov, 28 2017 @ 07:13 PM
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originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: FlyingFox



By raising the issue he forces it into the public's mind what a liar Warren is.


... by removing the entire point of what the Navajo war veterans' honouring ceremony was supposed to be about: them.

Not donny's cheap political shots.
Not Warren's political crap.

It was supposed to be about them. The Navajos.

But Donny couldn't handle not jumping at the opportunity to play the infant through one whole ceremony and redirect the spotlight back onto himself just one eeny weeny teeny quick minute.




Yessiree.

Just like these Navajos, Trump is very very special too... but in a very very special and different kind of way.



Did you care about the Navajos before this?



posted on Nov, 28 2017 @ 08:04 PM
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And there was a picture of Andrew Jackson looking on...

How utterly tasteless the whole scene and the way Trump handled it.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Elizabeth Warren.



posted on Nov, 28 2017 @ 08:24 PM
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originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: ChiefTruth

Yep, might as well not distinguish between Japanese and Chinese, or Vietnamese either.
The ignorance on ATS as of late is astounding and sad.


When was the last time you complained about the umbrella term "white people" on ATS?



posted on Nov, 28 2017 @ 09:11 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

0 times as best I can recall..I get your point.
Perhaps the distinction were not relevant, it may or not be relevant to the Navajo, I'm guessing it might hold some importance.
My point was sometimes the distinction is taken seriously by some cultures..such as the Japanese or Chinese, neither would be happy to be labeled as the other.



posted on Nov, 28 2017 @ 09:17 PM
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originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
And there was a picture of Andrew Jackson looking on...

How utterly tasteless the whole scene and the way Trump handled it.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Elizabeth Warren.


Amen. Regardless how anyone feels about Elizabeth Warren, what Trump said was distasteful and the sign of a bad leader. Leaders lead by example, lead people up, raise the conversation to important things, not six grade name calling. That's the problem and that's what we have in office.



posted on Nov, 28 2017 @ 11:05 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
anyone have a link to a video of the entire event? I was just wondering if I watched it, would I walk away even knowing what the role the code breakers played during their service, or was the whole event just a political photo op..



Here,try this.

Go to the 15 min mark to see what they said to Trump.







posted on Nov, 28 2017 @ 11:08 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: shooterbrody


Trump made a bad joke, but what warren did (which you refuse to acknowledge) is much much worse.

Trump also held this meeting with a giant picture of Andrew Jackson hanging on the wall in front of the Navajos. That's like honoring MLK while having a giant picture of David Duke staring at him.

Well well well now....
Were you not the one earlier in this very thread chastising people for lumping all native americans together?
Why yes you were....



Are you aware that neither Pocahontas nor Elizabeth Warren are Navajos and that the Navajos are WORLDS different than the Tsenacommacah (Pocahontas' tribe) or Cherokee (Warren's alleged tribe ancestry)?

Please let me know what the Indian Removal Act did to the Navajos.
Also please fill me in about your misplaced contempt for a POTUS that signed a law passed by CONGRESS. Andrew Jackson did not do all of this alone as you incorrectly imply.



But but his PICTURE was there watching everything!

What's it even doing in the white HOUSE!??!!

OMG!




posted on Nov, 28 2017 @ 11:15 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TheRedneck

How much do you know about the event in question actually? For one, she maintains that she has never used the native angle to further her career. For two, this dates back to her college days and something that Harvard Law school said about her after listing herself as a minority in an Association of American Law Schools directory. She didn't do that while a student though.

For two, she didn't even make this political in the first place. It was her opponent during the 2012 Senate race that made this a political issue. She merely defended herself. It's not like she was campaigning as a Cherokee or anything.
Here's the deal with Elizabeth Warren's Native American heritage

You can believe what you want about what she said and are free to believe if she is really native or not, but it really looks like this is an issue that was blown out of proportion by idiotic republicans during the campaign trail and Trump has refused to let it die.


She's registered as a minority teacher at Harvard.

400k a year. Sweet!




Did it play a role in her career?

Harvard Law School in the 1990s touted Warren, then a professor in Cambridge, as being "Native American." They singled her out, Warren later acknowledged, because she had listed herself as a minority in an Association of American Law Schools directory. Critics note that she had not done that in her student applications and during her time as a teacher at the University of Texas. Warren maintains she never furthered her career by using her heritage to gain advantage.



edition.cnn.com...




posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 12:24 AM
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Warren is the one who effectively called herself "Pocahontas".



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: FlyingFox


And when these veterans were asked about the Pocahontas comment they said (paraphrasing) "when we had to jump out the planes over Europe we had to yell "Geronimo" and that didn't offend us either".

So if these fine gentlemen aren't offended, what right do some smug white liberal snowflakes have to be offended? Zilch, nada, none, that's how much.

Warren lied about her heritage for personal gain. It should be criminal. The outrage should be directed at her. But she's one of the liberal gang leaders so as usual, they point their fingers and blame others for their own crimes.
Disgusting.



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: primus2012

Its funny that the claim is always that Trumps supporters won't admit he did something wrong.

Yet in this case, they are doing the exact same thing: failing to admit that what Warren did was just shy of Rachel Dolezal.



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Here here! Those people need..


"Those People" are WW2 Veterans and Native Americans.

Did you know a lot of Native Americans refuse to carry $20 dollar bills because Andrew Jackson is on it? It's common on reservations for them to change out those bills or ask for other denominations.

WTF was Trump trying to tell Native Americans by setting up the Podium in front on Andrew Jacksons portrait? Holy Crap, he only had 45 Presidents to choose from, he could have chosen one that wasn't responsible for Indian Removal Act aka The Trail of Tears.

He is either a complete a-hole and fan of oppressing Native Americans or as Tillerson explained a "effen idiot".
Either one has no business in the WH.
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posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 01:09 PM
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Did you know a lot of Native Americans refuse to carry $20 dollar bills because Andrew Jackson is on it? It's common on reservations for them to change out those bills or as for other denominations.



You are so right, I was at the casino the other night and they held a ceremony and they brought out a huge bag of twenties and set it on fire, it was so magical.


Lol, what are you even talking about, lol.



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: primus2012

Its funny that the claim is always that Trumps supporters won't admit he did something wrong.

Yet in this case, they are doing the exact same thing: failing to admit that what Warren did was just shy of Rachel Dolezal.


To the contrary.

Whataboutism...What about Elizabeth Warren?

Has nothing to do with Trump disrespecting WW2 Veterans and Native Americans by treating them as an opportunity to insult a political opponent or having them stand beside a portrait of Andrew Jackson.



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

"Disrespecting" is your opinion.

The fact is Trump made a comment about Warren during this event. The comment pertains to her lying about her cultural background to gain an advantage while at Harvard Law.

This "whataboutism" nonsense....just more political talkikng point nonsense. Someone brought it up last week and its taken the internet by storm. I think we are now at a point where ill treat it like the term "snowflake" and will just ignore it.



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 01:29 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

I was in my 30s before I realized that Andrew Jackson was behind the Trail of Tears, even though that story is well-known here. I just never caught the detail of it being Andrew Jackson who was responsible.

The honorees seemed OK with the venue. I'm sure they could have asked and the portrait would have been moved or covered, or the podium moved somewhere else. It's pretty silly though, to assume that just because a detail of history was missed, the whole purpose was to offend.

It's even sillier to assume that having a portrait of a previous US President in the US Presidential Mansion is somehow terrible, while someone trying to self-identify as a member of something they have no concept of for political gain is just fine and dandy.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: soberbacchus




Did you know a lot of Native Americans refuse to carry $20 dollar bills because Andrew Jackson is on it? It's common on reservations for them to change out those bills or as for other denominations.



You are so right, I was at the casino the other night and they held a ceremony and they brought out a huge bag of twenties and set it on fire, it was so magical.


Lol, what are you even talking about, lol.


Fly that ignorant flag proudly!

From a year and half ago.
Some American Indians won’t even use $20 bills
www.freep.com...

2014
Dirty Money! 4 Powerful Reasons to Boycott the $20 Bill
Indian Country Network
indiancountrymedianetwork.com...

Or maybe you could just google "Trail of Tears"?

BTW Casinos on Indian reservations are run by Casino Companies (i.e. Harrah's), profits go to reservations, but Native Americans don't run the Casino's.



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