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I am no longer walking on the path of Islam .

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posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 11:38 AM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver




Einstein didn't understand quantum mechanics. Why are you using his explanation as justification?
I think he understood it as best he could of at the time . He understood that the speed of light has a limit and that if Quantum mechanics were true then his equations were in question because of the spooky nature at a distance . He put his faith in his work while others put their faith in other observations that would seem to contradict Einstein . As it turns out they can both be true despite the seemingly contradictions .
The Only thing you're showing is your lack of understanding of what quantum mechanics does show, and also of what Einstein thought about it. What you are describing is a position that only religious pseudoscience websites push. I'm also going to assume that you are not an actual physicist.
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posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 11:55 AM
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a reply to: Kapusta

Nothing to add, just supporting you on your path.
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posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 11:57 AM
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FYI, there are two Hermetic routes of Ascension. The Sanskrit way, using energy channels or “chakras” (evolution of the first seven through sky/earth), and the Kabbalist way, using the Sefirotic Tree and the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet (ascent to sky/decent to earth).

It’s too bad, Sufism would have been worth embracing.

Just ask the Freemasons.


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posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 11:59 AM
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I'm also going to assume that you are not an actual physicist.
You are correct on this assumption but were wrong on your other ones . You were also wrong about the text you provided saying what you said it said . Should I be so bold as to assume you have reading comprehension ? I know you are presumptuous though .



posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 12:04 PM
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a reply to: Woodcarver

So says the person who hasn't found Him.



posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: AboveBoard

Religions are the ways that others have found.

If I were to try to codify how I found God myself, the outgrowth of that would eventually become a religion assuming others were to try to follow instructions.

But, the best instruction I have is to study and to seek on your own. That is not to say that a religion can't help you, but it won't in and of itself get you there without your own seeking.

I think everyone who finds doesn't do so because they followed someone else's path but because they found their own. It's an intensely personal thing because it involves a personal relationship.

Look at how you formed all the various relationships in your life. Did any of them get built in the same way? And yet, I'll bet some of them are very important to you even though they may have been formed in very different ways.
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posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 12:10 PM
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Do you disbelieve in any of these essential pillars of belief ?
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posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 12:13 PM
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I had always thought that religion was simply an attempt to answer the unknowable questions that have been with the human race forever. Once people realized they could take this desire and turn it into a great mechanism for control and money making, they created organized religion.

If these questions were answered, would this reality become less appealing? I tend to think this world is marvelous simply for the fact that these questions are still unanswered.

But throughout all of mankind's created religions, the greatest feat was to equate religion with spirituality. Maybe if people sought spirituality without the subscription to religion, self discovery and then contentment would actually happen.



posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: Kapusta
after becoming torn away from Christianity due to errors and lies in scripture


I'm aware of numerous errors in the bible, but could you elaborate about which errors or lies you're referring to in specific? Just curious to see if it's something I've never come across.



posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 12:44 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I agree with you and that is also my approach.




posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 01:02 PM
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a reply to: Kapusta

I just get this feeling that you are completely lost and very compulsive.

The way you jump around declaring yourself an adherent of this one or that one, it's too much.

Can you just sit down and stop believing in stuff for a minute please?
This is like Spiritual ADHD.



posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Kapusta


I can only assume that had the knowledge been and pure it would only reflect divinity that is void of evil and perversion . Currently no religious scripture I have found is that way.

To get that 'purity' we gave to consult the spirit thru our soul.

Spirituality is different than organized religions writings or dogma.


The true essence of religion is what ? To give you the tools needed to understand spirituality ? Your soul etc.


Like I said religion is man made. Used as a control measure to misguide people. To keep them from discovering the truth. To that end scripture is misintperetmed on purpose by the controllers.



posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AboveBoard

Religions are the ways that others have found.

If I were to try to codify how I found God myself, the outgrowth of that would eventually become a religion assuming others were to try to follow instructions.

But, the best instruction I have is to study and to seek on your own. That is not to say that a religion can't help you, but it won't in and of itself get you there without your own seeking.

I think everyone who finds doesn't do so because they followed someone else's path but because they found their own. It's an intensely personal thing because it involves a personal relationship.

Look at how you formed all the various relationships in your life. Did any of them get built in the same way? And yet, I'll bet some of them are very important to you even though they may have been formed in very different ways.


Do you claim to have found god? Do you claim to have knowledge of this god?



posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Kapusta


I can only assume that had the knowledge been and pure it would only reflect divinity that is void of evil and perversion . Currently no religious scripture I have found is that way.

To get that 'purity' we gave to consult the spirit thru our soul.

Spirituality is different than organized religions writings or dogma.


The true essence of religion is what ? To give you the tools needed to understand spirituality ? Your soul etc.


Like I said religion is man made. Used as a control measure to misguide people. To keep them from discovering the truth. To that end scripture is misintperetmed on purpose by the controllers.





And what truth is that? Is it a verifiable objective truth or is it a subjective truth that you have difficulty explaining?
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posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: Kapusta

What did you take away from being exposed to Sufism? Its always sounded like the most tolerant version of Islam to other Religions.

What about it was is contradiction to your training in Islam?

To me, Islam seems to lost it's way in the modern world, it didn't adapt and "turtled" for lack of a better word.

In the battle of ideas, it seems it doesn't want to have open debates about itself or its relationship to other Religions.



posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver




I'm also going to assume that you are not an actual physicist.
You are correct on this assumption but were wrong on your other ones . You were also wrong about the text you provided saying what you said it said . Should I be so bold as to assume you have reading comprehension ? I know you are presumptuous though .
Can you explain in what fashion that you believe all gods to be true?



posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 01:26 PM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Kapusta


I can only assume that had the knowledge been and pure it would only reflect divinity that is void of evil and perversion . Currently no religious scripture I have found is that way.

To get that 'purity' we gave to consult the spirit thru our soul.

Spirituality is different than organized religions writings or dogma.


The true essence of religion is what ? To give you the tools needed to understand spirituality ? Your soul etc.


Like I said religion is man made. Used as a control measure to misguide people. To keep them from discovering the truth. To that end scripture is misintperetmed on purpose by the controllers.
And what truth is that?


There is no ultimate all encompassing truth.



posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 01:27 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Never mind religion, I don't believe anything which is unverifiable.
That includes 'spirituality' type beliefs, ghosts, souls, angels, gods, etc.
I accept some people need some sort of ethereal crutch to get through life though.



posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 01:29 PM
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I'm aware of numerous errors in the bible, but could you elaborate about which errors or lies you're referring to in specific? Just curious to see if it's something I've never come across.
I find a study into the "errors" in the Biblical text interesting as well . Some are legitimate but others seem to have a conspiracy associated with them . Knowing them helps explain what we see and what might be coming down the pipe . Being a dogmatic KJV only believer might not be a good idea me thinks



posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 01:29 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Kapusta


I can only assume that had the knowledge been and pure it would only reflect divinity that is void of evil and perversion . Currently no religious scripture I have found is that way.

To get that 'purity' we gave to consult the spirit thru our soul.

Spirituality is different than organized religions writings or dogma.


The true essence of religion is what ? To give you the tools needed to understand spirituality ? Your soul etc.


Like I said religion is man made. Used as a control measure to misguide people. To keep them from discovering the truth. To that end scripture is misintperetmed on purpose by the controllers.
And what truth is that?


There is no ultimate all encompassing truth.
well I can get behind that. But I think it is more accurate to say that even if there is some all encompassing truth,(science, physics) that our feeble minds could never grasp it in its totality.



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