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posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: Lojack

I have tons of old mine shafts....




posted on Nov, 28 2017 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: intrptr

Oh yeah. I had a friend that lived in some crappy apartments.

One day he was trying to take a nap when he heard the window break. He jumped out of bed and grabbed the shotgun in his closet. As he rounded the corner into the living room he racked the slide. The would be intruder leaped right back out of the window he came in.


There you go. Everybody recognizes that sound, knows what it means. We don't really want to kill anyone we don't have to. Plus the shotgun hits hard, is easier to aim in a darkened hallway and, with a load of bird shot, won't over penetrate other rooms where loved ones might be hiding or homes across the street like a pistol or rifle.


So answer me this, and I don't mean to sound mocking. Do you have experience with this idea, or do you just watch a lot of TV?

If you are NOT a combat pistol-craft/rifle expert, do you realize you may be giving half-fast advice?

Have you ever shot a shotgun? Have you ever defended your home with one? Do you know the difference between 'bird-shot' and buckshot? Nobody in their right mind who has actual SD expertise with a shotgun or loads would recommend 'bird-shot'.

I think you mean well, but to me it sounds like made-up advice.

FWIW



posted on Nov, 28 2017 @ 10:15 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Charter Arms Undercoverette

charterfirearms.com...

Aluminum frame, 32 magnum caliber, 5 shot, weighs only 12 oz

Lower recoil than 38 with equivalent power



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: Maverick7

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: intrptr

Oh yeah. I had a friend that lived in some crappy apartments.

One day he was trying to take a nap when he heard the window break. He jumped out of bed and grabbed the shotgun in his closet. As he rounded the corner into the living room he racked the slide. The would be intruder leaped right back out of the window he came in.


There you go. Everybody recognizes that sound, knows what it means. We don't really want to kill anyone we don't have to. Plus the shotgun hits hard, is easier to aim in a darkened hallway and, with a load of bird shot, won't over penetrate other rooms where loved ones might be hiding or homes across the street like a pistol or rifle.


So answer me this, and I don't mean to sound mocking. Do you have experience with this idea, or do you just watch a lot of TV?

If you are NOT a combat pistol-craft/rifle expert, do you realize you may be giving half-fast advice?

Have you ever shot a shotgun? Have you ever defended your home with one? Do you know the difference between 'bird-shot' and buckshot? Nobody in their right mind who has actual SD expertise with a shotgun or loads would recommend 'bird-shot'.

I think you mean well, but to me it sounds like made-up advice.

FWIW


Thats what arm chair experts think. A shotgun shell typically has an ounce of shot. At the distances one encounters inside the home that wad comes out the barrel as a tight lump the size of a quarter and hits its target with about the same kinetic energy , regardless if its a slug, buck or bird shot.

Bird shot presents less problems with over penetration and ricochet, hits harder than any rifle or pistol at that close range, dispersing its energy into instead of thru the target.

What misses looses energy quickly in walls and doors, presenting less of a threat to any nearby family members in other rooms and your neighbors.

shotshell 101



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 08:33 AM
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Rule of thumb is shot spreads 1 inch per yard of distance - also depends on type of barrel

A tightly choked barrel will spread less as it travels



posted on Nov, 29 2017 @ 08:45 AM
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originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: intrptr

Rule of thumb is shot spreads 1 inch per yard of distance - also depends on type of barrel

A tightly choked barrel will spread less as it travels


Longer ( 'field' ) barrels with chokes are for hunting , controlling spread of shot at a distance. Longer barrels are unwieldy inside a home, an 18 inch barrel swings easier, and shot spread is insignificant at room or hallway distances.

If you have to shoot out the door or window, slugs turn shotgun to rifle.



posted on Dec, 2 2017 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

DB,
I own the Raging Judge, as a home protection its superb...but have the wife use either the .410 pdx round or .45 long colt as neither has much of a kick, particularly the .410. PDX .410 rounds have something like a, 8 inch max spread at 25 ft if I remember correctly and again a very low almost negligible recoil.

I also have a .38 +p revolver (Ruger LCRx). It is pretty accurate at 25, very at 15, the Ruger is very light 15.6 oz empty 16oz loaded. The .38 is the better option if sh plans on carrying down the road imo, the Raging Judge with PDX rounds at home, its a low recoil, hand shotgun, cant miss at 15ft. Weighs a fair bit, but that helps recoil using the large rounds...dont waste your money on buying .454 casull rounds for this gun unless your in bear country...its just not very accurate at 25ft. and .454 fors for 39-$50+ a box/20.

My wife just got her carry and she purchased the Kimber Micro9 6+1 9mm single stack, small, accurate (crimson trace palm activated laser)a little bit of kick and LOUD so a .380 might be worth looking at if thes not fond of recoil.


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posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 03:00 AM
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Why again are you set on a revolver?

Admittedly, I'm not a big revolver fan so I carry some bias, if that's what gets you excited go for it, but please don't take the advice of the dealer on what you should defend your life with as gospel. I highly recommend going out and putting your hands on every handgun you can, and if you can find a place that has a range with rentals that would be even better. Feeling and shooting them will help you decide quite quickly, I cant tell you how many I liked on paper but hate in the hand.
All that said, a small caliber pistol (maybe 9mm) would be my choice followed by a small (size and gauge) shot gun ...lots of give and take here but don't forget a shot gun can be very unwieldy inside a house.



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 06:22 AM
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You're right, his "advice" sucks and represents the state of the art in preinternet "gunshop common knowledge".

Don't shoot people with birdshot you're just gonna piss 'em off... That's why it's called BIRDSHOT not BURGLARSHOT! (please do tell me about cut shells... No really I'm interested... I'm not actually interested BTW because you're a moron if you jam a cut shell in a pump gun or semi)

Rifle rounds like 556 are actually hilariously good at not over penetrating (see box o truth if you don't believe me) even before you get to frangibles.... That's right Millicent, if you gotta you can crack open the m193 m855 or dirty wolf polyformance in your choice of 55 or 62 grain flavors and not actually worry too much about hitting neighbors etc!

(I'll take why is the m4 THE GUN OF SWAT for $2000 Alex!)

Birdshot btw at BEST is a 2-4 inch penetrator in HUMAN FLESH ANALOG!

Know what it doesn't penetrate or Break up at all?

BONE

see the problem yet?

I used to run bird then buck in my shotgun as an HD solution a decade ago at a point when I was rifle poor and it was that or start flinging 9x19 fmj in the dark! (Which over penetrates like a solid bastard wall after wall sometimes... Why? Idk I'm not an expert in high energy collision mechanics, but it's true and again box o truth will show you)

But, here's the thing, I KNEW my bird wasn't stopping anything and that's why there were at best two rounds of it up first backed up with good old fashioned 00 buck!

My priority at the time was preferably ending a fight by securing a retreat from the interloper via whacking him with bird and hoping he ran!

I have a family now, my policy has changed...



posted on Dec, 16 2017 @ 06:50 AM
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No4 buckshot seems to be a decent performer. Takes away the overpenetration issue while still having enough oomph to drop someone reliably.

Here's a good link demonstrating why a shotgin loaded correctly can be a decent choice.




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