Changing the 14th Amendment

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Agreed. It'd certainly be an interesting case.

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: RazorV66
Lol yeah right.
I don't remember anyone talking about changing the 14th.
But it is a very good idea, along with building the wall.
There is a LEGAL path to becoming a citizen and it's high time we start enforcing it.
I suppose that you are happy when ILLEGAL immigrants come here and have 6 kids and every one of them gets on welfare?

i love it, it's totally amazing.

OP said people were talking about the 14th btw, not me.

Oh yeah, it's totally amazing.
If it's so amazing, why don't you have a family of illegals come live with you?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Stick to the forum alone .

a reply to: Liquesence

Your opinion.

Historical context is not opinion. On the other hand, a court ruling IS an opinion.

TheRedneck

a reply to: RazorV66

It doesn't need changing.

As it reads, it should be interpreted if you are a legal resident alien, your children will hold citizenship.

If you are illegal, than no. It requires no changes.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Liquesence

Your opinion.

Historical context is not opinion. On the other hand, a court ruling IS an opinion.

TheRedneck

That it is misinterpreted is your opinion.

Court opinions hold the weight of law. Your opinion doesn't.

originally posted by: RazorV66
Oh yeah, it's totally amazing.
If it's so amazing, why don't you have a family of illegals come live with you?

as a matter of fact, i do. TWO families. they're great!

a reply to: Liquesence

As I understand it, the Supreme Court has not ruled on this. Therefore, there is not yet a Court opinion on illegal crossings.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: RazorV66

It doesn't need changing.

As it reads, it should be interpreted if you are a legal resident alien, your children will hold citizenship.

If you are illegal, than no. It requires no changes.

So its just another law that isn't being enforced then.

originally posted by: seagull
Agreed. It'd certainly be an interesting case.

I think it is far better to take this via the courts then trying to open the can of worms that is amending the Constitution.

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: RazorV66
Oh yeah, it's totally amazing.
If it's so amazing, why don't you have a family of illegals come live with you?

as a matter of fact, i do. TWO families. they're great!

Illegals?
Maybe ICE would be interested.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
Stick to the forum alone .

Huh?

originally posted by: RazorV66
Illegals?
Maybe ICE would be interested.

they're coming over later for thanksgiving leftovers and to watch the big game. i'll let them know you were thinking of them!

originally posted by: RazorV66
So its just another law that isn't being enforced then.

No, there hasn't been any legal challenge at this point to determine if illegals having children here makes their children legal citizens so you cannot enforce something that hasn't be ruled on yet.

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: RazorV66
Illegals?
Maybe ICE would be interested.

they're coming over later for thanksgiving leftovers and to watch the big game. i'll let them know you were thinking of them!

If they live with you, don't you mean they will be coming HOME to leftovers?

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Liquesence

As I understand it, the Supreme Court has not ruled on this. Therefore, there is not yet a Court opinion on illegal crossings.

TheRedneck

The decision I provided (US v. Wong Kim Ark) is a SCOTUS ruling.

While not specifying "illegals," it confirms jus soli to the children of foreign nationals by virtue of the 14th.

Full Decision

originally posted by: RazorV66
If they live with you, don't you mean they will be coming HOME to leftovers?

NO, silly... ICE is coming over for leftovers. my illegal immigrant family got the meal on the big day, before any legal citizens. as it should be!

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
So how do we separate the wheat from the chafe?
TOO many are sending their trash over the border for us to deal with.
I suggest the death penalty on a federal level for all ..READ THIS NOW...VIOLENT..JUST TO EMPHASIZE AGAIN ..VIOLENT ,illegal immigrants, regardless of race creed or origin.

How about this for an idea. Make it the death penalty on a fedreal level for All , read this now, ALL VIOLENT CRIME
Your decision to hold others to a standard of punishment you yourself would not think fair for yourself in Un-American.

Also this. You believe

They aren't citizens so no rights will be extended at all PROBLEM solved.

Human rights are not yours to extend or withhold. They are ''God given''. See it there in the Declaration of Independence???

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

a reply to: Liquesence

While not specifying "illegals," it confirms jus soli to the children of foreign nationals by virtue of the 14th.

By not specifying "illegals," it is inapplicable to this situation.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Liquesence

While not specifying "illegals," it confirms jus soli to the children of foreign nationals by virtue of the 14th.

By not specifying "illegals," it is inapplicable to this situation.

TheRedneck

It is currently applicable and legally recognized until amended or further clarified.

jus soli