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More U.S. sources Addmitting NATO lot more planes in KOSAVO

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posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 07:29 PM
Here's some more proof that NATO did loos way more planes than they were addmitting

[edit on 12-2-2005 by SiberianTiger]

posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 07:35 PM
The website you quoted mentions these losses.
38 fixed-wing combat aircraft;
bullet Six helicopters;
bullet Seven unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs);
bullet "Many" Cruise Missiles (lost to AAA or SAM fire).

Where is the pysical proof of these losses, what countries did they come from, how come after all this time there are no acounts of the losses by Airmen there?
The Serbs made such a big deal about the Stealth that went down so how come no 3 ring Circus about all the others.
Sorry but i find that very hard to believe.

posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 07:38 PM
Couldn't you done this in one of the other topics this has been brought up in...?

Well, that's not really a credible source, anyway. It's a free Tripod site. I could go make one saying the exact opposite right now.

None of the links to this Defense and Foreign Affairs are working for me, either.

posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 07:39 PM
Look,if you shot down 3 B-2s and 35823578257345 F-117s (whatever obscene number that is) I only seen pictures of the wreckage of 1 F-117. Oh,so now Americans flown to your country and stole the wreckage

And,if the Serbs did shoot down so many,why would they want to hide the wreckage? And look at your source. websites...christ,I could make a website stating that the US lost 20 B-2s in Kosovo.

posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 07:44 PM
And oh,US Sources? # to that. I could go to a Russian free website and say that it was a Russian source. Thats why i don't trust forums and free websites.

posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 07:46 PM
A while back I said that a Serbian MiG 29 shot down a F-15 in a a2a fight, after I said that I also said that I read about a MiG 21 that shot down a F15 (until I RE-find that article about THe 29 downing the 15 read this) here the site with the MiG 21 vs. F-15 and much more by the way you know very well there that these site are not Russian, noe Serbian so you come with all these excuses to make your selves feel like these sites are lying hahahahah

[edit on 12-2-2005 by SiberianTiger]

posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 07:49 PM
You said you were going to give a BBC article talking about that. Well, guess that'll never happen...

posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 07:52 PM

Yugoslavian source....find me a western source

posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 07:53 PM
Where are the photos of the wreckage? Where are the credible ( i don't consider the site you quoted as credible ) News sources? Where are the Pictures of the captured Airmen? The Serbs did capture a few didn't they? C'mon you will have to do better than that, we need verifiable, credible sources and the webby you gave us just dosent do it.

posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 07:57 PM
I'll tell you the serbs captured those Mariens and kicked them around I'll be back with more

posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 08:01 PM

Originally posted by SiberianTiger
I'll tell you the serbs captured those Mariens and kicked them around I'll be back with more

LMAO,Thats all you have?

From a REAL Russian source:

According to a March 25, 2000, article published by the ITAR-TASS news agency, Russian GRU (Main Intelligence Directorate) sources report that during the Operation "Allied Force" NATO's air forces sustained losses considerably higher than is officially acknowledged by NATO command. According to GRU information, NATO lost three F-117A stealth bombers, and at least 40 other combat planes, and over 1000 cruise missiles.

So far NATO officials acknowledged losing three combat planes (the USAF F-117A on March 27, the USMC AV-8B Harrier on May 1, and the F-16CG-40-CF on May 2), two attack helicopters (AH-64 Apache on April 26 and another Apache on May 5), between 30 and 32 unmanned reconnaissance vehicles, including at least 16 American, 7 German, and 5 French UAVs. Interestingly enough NATO acknowledged all of the UAV losses mentioned by Yugoslav military officials - 30 - and, perhaps, even more.

Official NATO reports and statements made by various NATO officials indicate that about 10 NATO planes made emergency landings. Two F-117As sustained extensive damage (the F-117A 86-0837 was damaged on April 21 during landing; and another F-117A lost a part of its tail section due to a nearby SA-3 SAM explosion). An RAF C-130K Hercules transport plane crashed on June 11 in Albania. The aircraft was delivering a British SAS unit that was trying to beat Russian paratroopers to the Slatina base. The US Army OH-58 combat reconnaissance helicopter crashed on May 26 in Bosnia.

According to the information from unofficial Yugoslav military sources, NATO's final assessment of its aircraft losses during the operation "Allied Force" indicates that some 61 aircraft have been destroyed, 53 aircraft were damaged beyond repair or it is not cost-effective to repair them, 57 aircraft have sustained repairable combat damage. A total of 171 NATO aircraft were hit by Yugoslav defenses during the war.

According to Yugoslav army officials, NATO lost 61 planes, 7 helicopters, 30 UAVs, and 238 cruise missiles. These numbers include only those NATO aircraft that crashed inside Yugoslavia. Distribution of aircraft kills among various units and branches of the Yugoslav Armed Forces is as follows: 3rd Army: 34 planes, 5 helicopters, 25 UAVs and 52 cruise missiles (according to an official statement by General Nebojsa Pavkovic, commander of the 3rd Army, on June 12, 1999); Navy: 3 planes, 3 UAVs and over 5 cruise missiles (from an official statement by the FRY Navy Commander, Milan Zec, June 10, 1999); 2nd Army: 24 planes, 2 helicopters, 2 UAVs (reported by Major General Spasoje Smiljanic in his interview to Politika newspaper at the end of April), 30 cruise missiles; 1st Army: 6 planes, 129 cruise missiles (reported by General Ninoslav Krstic in his interview for the "Vojska" magazine on May 24, 1999.) If you add up these numbers, provided by various Yugoslav military officials, you will see that the number of planes reported to have been shot down is 67 and not 61 as the official report by Gen. Dragoljub Ojdanic states. And here's why:

On June 17, 1999, Gen. Spasoje Smiljanic, then commander of Yugoslav Air Force and Air Defense (RV i PVO), announced that "the Yugoslav Air Force and Air Defence units have downed 36 airplanes, 42 cruise missiles, nine UAVs and two helicopters." It is important to keep in mind, however, that RV i PVO air defense units do not include low-level army air defenses or naval air defenses, such as man-portable SAMs and some AAAs. The total number planes shot down by RV i PVO and by various air defense units outside of RV i PVO command comes to 61 planes, 7 helicopters, 30 UAVs and 238 cruise missiles according to Gen. Ojdanic. However, these figures only include those NATO aircraft that crashed inside Yugoslavia. In some of the earlier reports mentioned above Yugoslav military commanders included NATO aircraft that crashed outside Yugoslavia.

There,420 manned combat planes right ?

If you have nothing good to say,then just shut the f up

[edit on 12/2/05 by W4rl0rD]

posted on Feb, 13 2005 @ 10:16 AM

Originally posted by W4rl0rD

An RAF C-130K Hercules transport plane crashed on June 11 in Albania. The aircraft was delivering a British SAS unit that was trying to beat Russian paratroopers to the Slatina base.

That C-130 crash has been attributed to a badly stowed payload that broke loose (the recent crash was compared with this crash in some detail in UK papers). With the absence of further information, Id be willing to accept the fact that it was what they said it was rather than enemy action.

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