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House Republicans have a little-known plan to raise taxes on teachers by $2 billion

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posted on Nov, 22 2017 @ 10:17 PM
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originally posted by: Merlynn
a reply to: Edumakated

What teachers make and their pensions depend on where they live. Illinois used to have good money and benefits, where I live now they don't and others states are worse than here. Georgia and Arkansas come to mind.


Georgia


The pensions that teachers and employees receive are based on the highest income they earned over a period of time and the years they worked. Statewide, the average TRS payout last year to the 117,918 retirees in the system was about $36,000. TRS reports show the number of people receiving pension benefits is rising.

Lin k


The average starting salary for a Georgia certified teacher is $38,925. According to the Georgia Department of Education, the average teacher salary for all levels of experience is $53,164. However, these figures are not guarantees of actual salaries for students pursuing teaching certification in Georgia.


The pension there is only $2,000 less than the avg salary of a teacher.

You were saying?........




posted on Nov, 22 2017 @ 10:47 PM
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originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Dudemo5
Teachers cannot afford more taxes. They already get hosed by the system as it is, what with their "retirement" plan that they are forced to pay into.


Really, my clients are retired grade school teachers.....they are doing just fine. Explain to me the taxes teachers pay that other Americans don't?

Have you seen a teachers "retirement"……?

It's pretty good.


My sister is a teacher. She's not retired, so she isn't drawing a pension. She still has to pay her bills. And yet, she is FORCED to pay into her retirement. It is not optional. I've worked at lots of jobs and I've never had one that forced me to pay INTO my retirement. I've had 401Ks, I've had pension plans. I've never had one that insisted on subtracting a certain portion of my paycheck for my own retirement.

That is complete BS.

And yet my Sister has to deal with that.

Meanwhile, she can't even afford to own a home.


From: www.forbes.com...


In 15 states, teachers have to work 10 years before they vest in their retirement plans. Many are long gone before they are eligible to collect one dollar in benefits, even as they are obligated to contribute a substantial portion to their plans each payday.

edit on 22-11-2017 by Dudemo5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 22 2017 @ 11:13 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: proximo




and the Democrats know it. But they don't want this to pass because they also know it will improve the economy and strengthen the Republican party.


They know no such thing, that’s what you believe.

The trickle down has NEVER worked and the democrats know it

The democrats fear the budget bulge from this bill as it did in 1981 under Reagan's tax cuts for the rich and he went and raised taxes on the middle class to deal with his tax cut for the rich


TRICKLE down doesn't work


Give me a break, this is not hard math, everyone who has analyzed the plan has stated 90%+ of the middle class get a tax cut. This is not debatable, it is fact.

Democrat politicians are generally stupid but they know how to read a headline of the analysis of the bill.

You just don't want to admit they are lying to you.

Trickle down does work. History proved it does. Is it perfectly efficient no, but you can't force people to spend money no matter how you dole it out.



posted on Nov, 22 2017 @ 11:16 PM
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originally posted by: proximo

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: proximo




and the Democrats know it. But they don't want this to pass because they also know it will improve the economy and strengthen the Republican party.


They know no such thing, that’s what you believe.

The trickle down has NEVER worked and the democrats know it

The democrats fear the budget bulge from this bill as it did in 1981 under Reagan's tax cuts for the rich and he went and raised taxes on the middle class to deal with his tax cut for the rich


TRICKLE down doesn't work


Give me a break, this is not hard math, everyone who has analyzed the plan has stated 90%+ of the middle class get a tax cut. This is not debatable, it is fact.

Democrat politicians are generally stupid but they know how to read a headline of the analysis of the bill.

You just don't want to admit they are lying to you.

Trickle down does work. History proved it does. Is it perfectly efficient no, but you can't force people to spend money no matter how you dole it out.


If you give extra money to poor people, they WILL spend it. They have to.

If you give extra money to rich people, they don't have to spend it, and often they do not.

Most of those middle class tax breaks in this bill evaporate after a few years.



posted on Nov, 22 2017 @ 11:19 PM
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a reply to: Dudemo5

If no one has ever been forced to provide anything out of their pay for their own retirement, how on earth did that phrase "saving for retirement" get started?



posted on Nov, 22 2017 @ 11:33 PM
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originally posted by: Dudemo5

originally posted by: proximo

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: proximo




and the Democrats know it. But they don't want this to pass because they also know it will improve the economy and strengthen the Republican party.


They know no such thing, that’s what you believe.

The trickle down has NEVER worked and the democrats know it

The democrats fear the budget bulge from this bill as it did in 1981 under Reagan's tax cuts for the rich and he went and raised taxes on the middle class to deal with his tax cut for the rich


TRICKLE down doesn't work


Give me a break, this is not hard math, everyone who has analyzed the plan has stated 90%+ of the middle class get a tax cut. This is not debatable, it is fact.

Democrat politicians are generally stupid but they know how to read a headline of the analysis of the bill.

You just don't want to admit they are lying to you.

Trickle down does work. History proved it does. Is it perfectly efficient no, but you can't force people to spend money no matter how you dole it out.


If you give extra money to poor people, they WILL spend it. They have to.

If you give extra money to rich people, they don't have to spend it, and often they do not.

Most of those middle class tax breaks in this bill evaporate after a few years.


If you give money to poor people they will spend it. Not saying it doesn't somewhat help the economy but the wealthy create jobs and make big investments that can last decades -factories etc. A one time purchase by a poor person is just that one time. I am not for a tax cut on wealthy individuals, and by far most of these cuts are for businesses not individuals. They are getting about a 2 percent cut, and that is 2 percent more than I would give them, but overall it is not nearly enough of a reason to oppose the bill.

Look, the lower 45 percent of earners pay zero in income tax, unless you want to start giving them free money for being poor - not a good incentive if you want to grow the economy - there is no way to give them more of an income tax cut.

The tax cuts are mostly scheduled to go away after 10 years, but the idea is the economy will be strong enough at that point they will no longer be needed.



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 01:45 AM
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originally posted by: Dudemo5

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: DanteGaland
a reply to: Willtell

And NOT as plentiful anymore at ALL.

As I said, my friend has a lame 401k. He LOVES teaching his students. Hates the pay. Hates the benefits.

He does it because he wants to, not because it pays well.

ME? I think it's certified crazy. No WAY would I put up with someone else's kids for peanuts in pay and benefits.


Do people teach because they love to teach, or do they teach because they're looking for a paycheck?





Like any career, they get into it because they think they will enjoy the work and believe it will help them pay their bills in a manner consistent with their living expectations.


That can't be the case if they go in knowing teachers don't make that much on the front end.



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 02:06 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian
As usual your using a known fake news outlet run by liberals caught many times in a lie,so what other proof do you have other then a fake outlet?,thought so fail again



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 02:06 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian
As usual your using a known fake news outlet run by liberals caught many times in a lie,so what other proof do you have other then a fake outlet?,thought so fail again



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 01:36 PM
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Im sorry...im in the camp of "Get the Federal Government the hell out of our schools", and don't see an issue here.

Teachers buying stuff for students is an issue of a taxing entity mismanaging funds. It is wholly inappropriate for another taxing entity to create tax law that compensates for the failure of another. Its a mismanagement of public trust.

The problem is that in the real world we are asked to do more with less. In government (schools definitely included) they are tasked with doing less with more. We spend more than we ever have on education, yet get less and less results out of it. The biggest problem is that the Federal Government meddles in local school districts and creates stuff like standardized tests which are tied to tax dollars. Meaning if the district wants to continue doing less with more, they need to pull students out of their curriculum and instead teach to the test that will get them more cash.

What Trump did here is a very, very small step in the right direction. My son is a new teacher who will fall back on me and my wallet to cover any gaps created by this tax law, and I still fully endorse it.



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454

I mean...$40-45k isn't terrible income. Its what a first year teacher can expect to make in a city like Lubbock, San Antonio, Killeen, or Austin.

Teachers are not nearly as underpaid as we are led to believe. Sure, no one is going to get rich teaching kids. If you go into it for lucrative income, you will be disappointed.



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 03:14 PM
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a reply to: DanteGaland

If he is not paying into social security, he is in one of the 15 States that have a State run TRS defined benefit PENSION plan. He has a pension in addition to him perhaps contributing to a 403b plan. What State are they in?



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 04:59 PM
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In terms of teacher's supplementing classroom supplies out of their own pocket, which is very kind of them, another strategy might be to use the opportunity to teach the kids how to be resourceful. There is a lot of waste that occurs in schools and everywhere really....it's a great lesson for kids to learn how to reuse and recycle things, the possibilities are endless really !

Some teachers, especially of younger children, are great at this. An example might be getting all the kids to bring in a clean jar, a little glue, scrapes of tissue paper and you've now created beautiful and practical storage containers ! If supplies are limited, don't bitch to the kids that the government and their parents are cheap and don't care, ask the kids how to solve the problem in a positive way, they will come up with some great ideas !

Instead of forcing kids and parents to participate in way too many fundraisers selling a bunch of junk for a small percentage of profit, use that time and energy to encourage entrepreneur endeavors or just plain old elbow grease to accomplish a goal.

Sorry if I went off topic, Happy Thanksgiving



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 09:28 PM
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Ever since buying "school list" supplies at beginning of a school year and my children being forced to put their supplies into a pile to be divided up amongst the class like socialists or communists I have no sympathy. I told children to never ever comply with that request again.

At school year end my children along with others were told to turn in any blank notebooks, pencils, pens, highlighters and supplies they possessed. I told them no that is your property.

At a school year end my children were told by teachers it was OK to lay out last week of school year and it wouldn't count towards attendance record "well mark you as here" they were told. I insisted they attend anyway. The teachers put my children to work collecting any supplies left in others lockers. Not one bit of teaching was done that entire week but teachers were said to be "horsey" in attitude because my children were present.

My children when questioned at home indicated "they had enough stuff to go years stacked"

Last couple years at each a every holiday and federal holiday there's a all to conveniant "teacher workday" scheduled before or after holiday, many times both. Can't think of one solid three week timeframe where there is not a day off - I say day off because driving by on teacher workday - no cars in parking lot.

Sounds like a story from a northeast liberal area, we'll it's not, it's from a very red state, in a very red county that's a conservative bastion.

Finally five years back I was helping an ex study for Georgia teachers exam. That experience was an eye opener as much of the information in "official" study book was in error, incomplete or downright wrong in summation. I was told this - "stop correcting the book or I won't pass the test"

That ought to tell folks what we're getting for teachers.

Anyone old enough to remember the "Communist Manifesto" the part about education among many other points seems to have been accomplished.




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