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Declassified Files Reveal Plot to Carry Out Soviet False Flag Attacks in US to Start War

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posted on Nov, 22 2017 @ 12:31 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: fiverx313
excellent thread, OP. now THIS is a substantial conspiracy topic...


No conspiracy, it's factual


A conspiracy is a secret agreement by a group of people to commit some sort of illegal or "wrong" act so no, this would be pretty much the exact definition of a conspiracy.


True, but now it's proven so it has to be promoted beyond conspiracy to factual, for clarity.

Don't forget, most of us here get regarded as "conspiracy theorists" (I personally hate the term), but in the mainstream and to most people that term conjures images of nuts or loonies, and that maybe true, but there's still some smart people around here, who are most certainly not lunatics




posted on Nov, 22 2017 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Yes. So it's not a theory because it's a fact.

It is a fact that there was a conspiracy to possibly attempt a false flag aimed at triggering war with the Cubans or Soviets. It is not a theory that there was a conspiracy to do so.



posted on Nov, 22 2017 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: eisegesis

From the linked download.



You just can't beat considering the illegal use of biological & chemical weapons against civilians.

To see the real truth in that whole freedom & democracy bullsh!t story the US continually trots out is @#$%^&*! disgusting.



posted on Nov, 22 2017 @ 04:24 PM
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originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: eisegesis

Eisenhower warned us about the MIC



His real warning is to have an informed public.The News Media and the nations Universities have been taken by those with an extreme political bias. His warning turned out real. He states the MIC is necessary and there is no going back from having one, the informed public is the only defense that it isn't abused.



posted on Nov, 22 2017 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Yes. So it's not a theory because it's a fact.

It is a fact that there was a conspiracy to possibly attempt a false flag aimed at triggering war with the Cubans or Soviets. It is not a theory that there was a conspiracy to do so.


So it's not a conspiracy, it's a factual conspiracy



posted on Nov, 22 2017 @ 06:34 PM
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If the 9/11 conspiracy was proven or if documents were released that showed it was a complete setup by our government, would it even matter? There might be a little smoke for about a week but would anything change?

I think we are past the point of no return. We will never remove “Authorization for Use of Military Force” and give the responsibility to start wars back to congress and only congress.

We either accept the fact that we invade other countries and kill innocent people for pure greed on behalf of our corporations or we start to change.

Does being patriotic and fully supporting our military impose a debt equal to actually killing innocents? Does the simple act of paying taxes knowing they are going towards the war machine incur the same level of responsibility?

Will we ever change? Why is killing universally frowned upon unless someone in the government says it is A-OK, then it is fully accepted?



posted on Nov, 22 2017 @ 07:21 PM
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I really found this disturbing, but not surprising in the least. What is really sad is there is nothing we can do about it if TPTB decide to do something like this today.

I can only hope that they have learned from the past and have realized it would be very difficult to do something like this these days and get away with it. With all the wistle blowers, cameras everywhere and more people being “awoken” hopefully it would cause them to think twice before risking the fate of the world.

Like always, thank you for taking time to post this and bringing it to everyone’s attention.



posted on Nov, 22 2017 @ 11:58 PM
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Governments and leaders can never be trusted.

That which is good for their MIC and corporate puppet-masters: they are secretive about, and stop at nothing to get the job done.
That which is good for the citizens: they are lousy at, and tell us we cost too much.

It's beyond comprehension how ATS members are still arguing about divisive issues, when it is clear that they are being manipulated by abusive overlords.

Despite all of this: If you still vote for the major parties: you are a part of the problem. Give your head a shake.



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 12:03 AM
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originally posted by: ClovenSky
If the 9/11 conspiracy was proven or if documents were released that showed it was a complete setup by our government, would it even matter? There might be a little smoke for about a week but would anything change?

I think we are past the point of no return. We will never remove “Authorization for Use of Military Force” and give the responsibility to start wars back to congress and only congress.

We either accept the fact that we invade other countries and kill innocent people for pure greed on behalf of our corporations or we start to change.

Does being patriotic and fully supporting our military impose a debt equal to actually killing innocents? Does the simple act of paying taxes knowing they are going towards the war machine incur the same level of responsibility?

Will we ever change? Why is killing universally frowned upon unless someone in the government says it is A-OK, then it is fully accepted?


If a government commits murders, for decades on end, and it's citizens continue to vote for the same political parties: those voting citizens are accomplices to murder.



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 02:43 AM
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No shock to that the CIA and FBI were in on reprogramming,why they keep Russia looking like a predator,and they had big money transfers with the chinese,Russia probably has cleaner hands then the CIA backed US,but the true fact is China wants to rule the world thats a known fact for over 60 yrs,and they own most of US properties,been buying up since the 70's,truth be told,like it or not,we are being set up for global rule,just a matter of time



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 02:43 AM
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No shock to that the CIA and FBI were in on reprogramming,why they keep Russia looking like a predator,and they had big money transfers with the chinese,Russia probably has cleaner hands then the CIA backed US,but the true fact is China wants to rule the world thats a known fact for over 60 yrs,and they own most of US properties,been buying up since the 70's,truth be told,like it or not,we are being set up for global rule,just a matter of time



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 06:49 AM
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a reply to: eisegesis

A fellow member pointed out Operation Northwoods-the false flag against Cuba...that is true.

And does the USAF have soviet MiG's? you bet. BUT the Tonapah Test range in Nevada has housed soviet MiGs for decades so why didn't this 'false flag attack' occur earlier?



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: elementalgrove
I feel the false flags are real but the talk of martial law and gun bans are the disinfo spread to make the idea of a false flag seem unrealistic.



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 07:20 AM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
It is a fact that there was a conspiracy to possibly attempt a false flag aimed at triggering war with the Cubans or Soviets. It is not a theory that there was a conspiracy to do so.


And now with Patrick Swayze gone to pasture there is no one left to protect us.



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Shamrock6
It is a fact that there was a conspiracy to possibly attempt a false flag aimed at triggering war with the Cubans or Soviets. It is not a theory that there was a conspiracy to do so.


And now with Patrick Swayze gone to pasture there is no one left to protect us.


Woo, way-way back on the way back machine for those alive then. Was he Cameron's son? Red dawn barely worth mentioning for his credits, but the concept is plausible. Pray we don't become prey and have to fight off an invasion if inviting ISIS in didn't set the wheels rolling.



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 02:06 PM
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MAD is secure. Now all we need is a Madman.



posted on Nov, 24 2017 @ 07:21 AM
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The whole cold war is a false flag.



posted on Nov, 25 2017 @ 09:29 PM
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Doesn't surprise me, but knowledge is power/ability.

America has been at war for 222/238 years (approx. 20 years of peace)

😔😩



posted on Nov, 26 2017 @ 06:23 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6



I mean...if you have any familiarity with Operation Northwoods, this isn't exactly shocking?


JFK response when NORTHWOODS plan was presented to him was " This is F*cking nuts ..." He rejected it out of hand



Lemnitzer approved the plans known as Operation Northwoods in 1962, a proposed plan to discredit the Castro regime and create support for military action against Cuba by staging false flag acts of terrorism and developing "a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington". Lemnitzer presented the plans to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962. It is unclear how McNamara reacted, but three days later President Kennedy told the general that there was no chance that the US would take military action against Cuba. Within a few months, after the refusal to endorse Operation Northwoods, Lemnitzer was denied another term as JCS chairman.[2]


General Lyman Lemnitzer was denied another term as Joint Chief and "kicked upstairs" as head of NATO



posted on Nov, 27 2017 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
If people would do some simple research into how many times there have been planned, discussed, or committed false-flag attacks on behalf of our government, I don't think that they'd ever claim that again.

Any idea where there's a run down of all the false flags that the U.S. government has planned?

I know of a few that are documented in the declassified files. But to see them all listed might wake up some that don't believe the U.S. is capable of doing these things.



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