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Sexual harassment tally...Right V Left

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posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: Christosterone

Here's just some of the names from a very big list that's been floating around for a while. I verified all of them, including additional information such as position/location to assist anyone who wants to independently verify.

90% are for sex with children, a couple of them for sex with their own children, 1 or 2 for kiddie porn and of course, a serial killer.

Philip Giordano (former mayor of Waterbury, CT)
David F. Swartz (former county commissioner, Richland County, Ohio)
Edison Misla Aldarondo (former Speaker of the Puerto Rican House of Representatives)
John R. Curtain (former Monroe County, NY state Republican committeeman)
John Gosek (former mayor of Oswego, NY)
Dennis L. Rader (BTK killer, former zoning board member, Sedgwick County, KS)
Senator Strom Thurmond
Peter Dibble (former Stonington, CT First Selectman)
Carey Lee Cramer (Republican advertising consultant)
Dan Crane (former Representative, IL)
Ronald C. Kline (former Orange County, CA judge)
Robert Bauman (former Representative, MD)
Beverly Russell (former Christian Coalition leader, activist)
Jeffrey Patti (former Republican Committee Chairman, Sussex County, NJ)
Jon Matthews (former Houston conservative talk radio host)
Andrew Buhr (former committeeman, Hadley Township, Missouri)
Keith Westmoreland (former Representative, Tennessee House of Representatives)
John Allen Burt (anti-abortion activist)
Keola Childs (former Hawaii County, HI councilman)
Jack W. Garder (former Millersville, PA borough councilman)
Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. (former Wrightsville, PA borough councilman)
Larry Jack Schwarz (former Colorado state representative)
Mark Harris (former city councilman West Bend, WI)

Anyway, I got tired of looking them up but there's quite a few more. Why are we doing this again? Seems to me like there's quite a lot of this stuff from either side and I'm really not sure what this "competition" is supposed to prove.
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posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6




I've seen very little bouncing from the other side here.


Since we are talking about politics here I will say your right about this as far as ats is concerned.
Most left people are defending al franken. Saying things like he should be forgiven because he apologized or that what he did isn't as bad as what moore did.

# that. Al , if he had any integrity , would step down. Moore should step down as well. Trump was accused, and while I do believe those women, I don't think anyone should get in trouble without solid evidence.



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 02:33 PM
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Serious question...

Why are ll the liberals so against this topic?
Honestly, why are y’all so triggered by this discussion?

-Chris



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 02:35 PM
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posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: Christosterone
Serious question...

Why are ll the liberals so against this topic?
Honestly, why are y’all so triggered by this discussion?

-Chris


I'm not liberal, against the topic nor triggered.

I just happen to find the topic and OP rather stupid. Nether political side has a lock-down on sexual deviance or harrassment. That is why your OP is ridiculous.

Either you just wanted to be a partisan douche, or you really do believe the Left is worse.

No matter what, you have shown you true colors. Guess you get to pick which color that is.
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posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Christosterone

Here's just some of the names from a very big list that's been floating around for a while. I verified all of them, including additional information such as position/location to assist anyone who wants to independently verify.

90% are for sex with children, a couple of them for sex with their own children, 1 or 2 for kiddie porn and of course, a serial killer.

Philip Giordano (former mayor of Waterbury, CT)
David F. Swartz (former county commissioner, Richland County, Ohio)
Edison Misla Aldarondo (former Speaker of the Puerto Rican House of Representatives)
John R. Curtain (former Monroe County, NY state Republican committeeman)
John Gosek (former mayor of Oswego, NY)
Dennis L. Rader (BTK killer, former zoning board member, Sedgwick County, KS)
Senator Strom Thurmond
Peter Dibble (former Stonington, CT First Selectman)
Carey Lee Cramer (Republican advertising consultant)
Dan Crane (former Representative, IL)
Ronald C. Kline (former Orange County, CA judge)
Robert Bauman (former Representative, MD)
Beverly Russell (former Christian Coalition leader, activist)
Jeffrey Patti (former Republican Committee Chairman, Sussex County, NJ)
Jon Matthews (former Houston conservative talk radio host)
Andrew Buhr (former committeeman, Hadley Township, Missouri)
Keith Westmoreland (former Representative, Tennessee House of Representatives)
John Allen Burt (anti-abortion activist)
Keola Childs (former Hawaii County, HI councilman)
Jack W. Garder (former Millersville, PA borough councilman)
Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. (former Wrightsville, PA borough councilman)
Larry Jack Schwarz (former Colorado state representative)
Mark Harris (former city councilman West Bend, WI)

Anyway, I got tired of looking them up but there's quite a few more. Why are we doing this again? Seems to me like there's quite a lot of this stuff from either side and I'm really not sure what this "competition" is supposed to prove.


Notice how all the names from the op and all the names you listed just happen to be men. But yeah I guess women are doing the same amount of these things. It's just that no one is reporting it right...



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Why take the time to comment on a stupid op?

You called me a “douche”....really??

-Chris



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
Can you admit that harassment , mostly done by males, would exist even if politics didn't?


Without power, there's not the ability to harass. As we see more women moving up the corporate and political ladders, the number of women accused of harassment will absolutely increase. Let's be rational here, men don't often accuse women of harassment or assault because, by and large, most men view it as flattering and arousing. Society hasn't conditioned us to feel victimized by a woman grabbing our upper arm and commenting on our muscles.



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 02:46 PM
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originally posted by: Christosterone
Serious question...

Why are ll the liberals so against this topic?
Honestly, why are y’all so triggered by this discussion?

-Chris


I'm not 'triggered' by it, but I am appalled by it, if you can understand that. Like most human issues, this one knows no political affiliation. It's a social issue, and will perhaps become a legal one- but in some of these older cases, social rejections (and maybe even ostracizing) will have to do. When this began coming out, with all the various players, I did a 'heavy sigh" hoping nobody would do what has been done here in the OP, but feeling someone would.

I'm just sorry to see it, that's all.


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posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 02:49 PM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: burdman30ott6




I've seen very little bouncing from the other side here.


Since we are talking about politics here I will say your right about this as far as ats is concerned.
Most left people are defending al franken. Saying things like he should be forgiven because he apologized or that what he did isn't as bad as what moore did.

# that. Al , if he had any integrity , would step down. Moore should step down as well. Trump was accused, and while I do believe those women, I don't think anyone should get in trouble without solid evidence.


I'm still not entirely sure what Moore did, to be honest. Propositioning a 14 year old is pretty damn bad. That said, a lot of the accusations strike me as falling in the "bad idea" category rather than the "illegal or assault" category. In Alabama, it is not illegal for a 16 year old to date someone much older. I'd like to see Moore replaced on the ticket because he doesn't represent my values, but I can't exactly say he should have legal charges brought on him for asking 16 year olds out. (That said, where were the fathers of these girls? I can damn well assure you that when my daughter reaches 16, God help any adult male who approaches her in the mall. The results of that will make the nightly news, I guarantee that.)



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 02:49 PM
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originally posted by: Christosterone
a reply to: introvert

Why take the time to comment on a stupid op?

You called me a “douche”....really??

-Chris


It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it?



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 02:55 PM
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originally posted by: Christosterone
a reply to: introvert

Why take the time to comment on a stupid op?

You called me a “douche”....really??

-Chris


Yes, I did.



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
Stop being a partisan shill please.
Every real man in america understands that sexual harassment is not a left right problem it's a male problem.
Stop trying to use this to push your agenda.

If you really gave a damn about women at all you would be calling out ALL MEN with out exception.


Stop being a sexist shill. Every decent person understands this isn't a gender problem, it's a human problem.


Do you really think that?
How many women have harassed you? How many guy friends do you know that have been harassed?
Try doing this if you really want to see the truth. Sit down with your guy and girl friends at the same time and ask them to tell a story about how they were harassed by the other gender. Have them look at each other while they do it.


I actually have personally been harassed by women, yes. And yes I do know other men who have been. AND I know women who have been harassed by other women, and men. Are you still in denial?

This is not a problem with men, no matter how much you want to pretend it is. Everyone needs to get these lenses of color, race, gender, religion out of their head.
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posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: burdman30ott6




I've seen very little bouncing from the other side here.


Since we are talking about politics here I will say your right about this as far as ats is concerned.
Most left people are defending al franken. Saying things like he should be forgiven because he apologized or that what he did isn't as bad as what moore did.

# that. Al , if he had any integrity , would step down. Moore should step down as well. Trump was accused, and while I do believe those women, I don't think anyone should get in trouble without solid evidence.


I'm still not entirely sure what Moore did, to be honest. Propositioning a 14 year old is pretty damn bad. That said, a lot of the accusations strike me as falling in the "bad idea" category rather than the "illegal or assault" category. In Alabama, it is not illegal for a 16 year old to date someone much older. I'd like to see Moore replaced on the ticket because he doesn't represent my values, but I can't exactly say he should have legal charges brought on him for asking 16 year olds out. (That said, where were the fathers of these girls? I can damn well assure you that when my daughter reaches 16, God help any adult male who approaches her in the mall. The results of that will make the nightly news, I guarantee that.)


Technically, as far as the law is concerned, it's legal to date a 14 year old too. It's only illegal to engage in sexual activity with them.

Edit: Just thought I should clarify I don't think it's a good idea for 32 year olds to be dating 14 year olds.
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posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 03:05 PM
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In Alabama, it is not illegal for a 16 year old to date someone much older.

They can legally have sex with a 30 or 40 year old but how would you feel about a 30 year old guy dating a 16 year old?

My thing about moore is that he got caught in a lie regarding weather or not he knew or even met one of his accusers.
I know that people are saying we need to do some tests and make sure that the yearbook was signed by moore.
But I will always side with the claimed victim in these types of cases because lets be honest, out of all the sexual harassment cases brought to court only a tiny % of those were false. odds are that if a bunch of women are accusing you , your most likely guilty.



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 03:08 PM
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Most states have a clause in their consent laws that says there is an age gap exception to the law.
That means while it is legal for a 19-20 year old to have sex with a 16 year old, it would not be legal for a 30 year old to have sex with a 16 year old because they are to far removed in age from one another.
Alabama does not have that law....



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 03:10 PM
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Sexual Assault crimes can be POLITICAL

But not necessarily PARTISAN.

At least a FEW here are honest and NOT wishy washy ... hiding behind the both sides are the same faux-intellectualism trope.

I might totally disagree with you....

But if you at least take a stand...

I can RESPECT you.



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 03:17 PM
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I made it pretty clear how I feel about it. I find it repugnant... but there are a number of things I find repugnant which are legal in this country.



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 03:20 PM
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it's rejection pscyhology. I think that's what's going on whether the people know about it or not. You know how bullies and their followers will talk or beat the target down? The victim feels rejection. It can be just an idea. Rejection has sweeping negative affects on the victim.

We're ultimately slaves to our culture, to our human family, and finally, to our body, its dna; and the forces of nature.

EDIT: Just a small sample:
www.newscientist.com - Rejection massively reduces IQ...

Baumeister thinks rejection interferes with a person’s self-control. “To live in society, people have to have an inner mechanism that regulates their behaviour. Rejection defeats the purpose of this, and people become impulsive and self-destructive. You have to use self-control to analyse a problem in an IQ test, for example – and instead, you behave impulsively.”

Also look into longterm bullying. Bullies and bullied both suffer somewhat from problems, but the bullied most of all.
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posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: face23785

Most states have a clause in their consent laws that says there is an age gap exception to the law.
That means while it is legal for a 19-20 year old to have sex with a 16 year old, it would not be legal for a 30 year old to have sex with a 16 year old because they are to far removed in age from one another.
Alabama does not have that law....


You're misunderstanding the laws. The close in age exemption applies to people who have not yet reached the age of consent. Once you reach the age of consent, which depending on the state may be 16, 17 or 18, you can legally have sex with anyone who has also reached the age of consent, regardless of how much older they are. That means in states where the age of consent is 16, a 30, 40, 50 year old can legally have sex with a 16 or 17 year old as long as the younger person consents. You still can't send each other nude photos though, because that violates federal child pornography laws and most states have laws about lewd images of persons under 18.

I know all this because there was a guy in my unit while I was stationed in North Carolina who was in his 20s and dating a girl that was still in high school. Most people thought she had to be 18 (she wasn't) but that's a misconception people get from Hollywood and the media. The age of consent in North Carolina is 16 and it's also 16 in the UCMJ. Legally she can consent to have sex with anyone her age or older, no matter how much older they are. They couldn't do anything to him legally. Of course there are other avenues people can take to apply social pressure to the individual, such as talking to the younger person's parents.

Some states have other laws they can prosecute you with too, such as corruption of minors (under 18).

The close in age exemption would apply in a case where say the age of consent is 16, and there's a 15 year old in a relationship with a 17 year old, in states that have an exemption if you're within 3 years of each other.
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