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The Future Hitler that Never Arrived

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posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 06:59 PM
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Upon reviewing videos of the political violence and intimidation exhibited against Trump supporters during the infamous San Jose rally back in June 2016, I came across a defining moment that distilled for me the entire election. An enthusiastic mob, who was at the time rampaging through the streets seeking out Trump rally-goers to spit upon, threaten, and beat, found an unlucky man wearing a Trump shirt sitting in his car trying to leave the rally. As the mob surrounded his car, someone standing to the side yelled “he’s the next Hitler!”, and shortly after, the throng proceeded to beat and kick the car as the man drove off in a panic [video below]. And that, my friends, is all it takes.

When New York Times Magazine asked its readers whether they would murder an infant Hitler, 28% said “not sure”, 30% said “no”, and 42% said “Yes”. In other words, so long as people were led to believe they could prevent a genocidal dictator, a holocaust, and the horrors of a murderous regime, 42% would kill an innocent newborn in order to do so. But what if the reader was duped, and the infant was never Hitler to begin with?

The comparisons made of President Donald Trump and Hitler, both during and after the election campaign, were endless. He was also compared to nearly every dictator in recent history, with the implication that voting for him was to elect a dictator. The difficulty lies not in determining whether any of these comparisons was apt—they weren’t—but whether making such comparisons were motivated by propaganda, or in order to justify partisan and irrational hatred.

Who besides the brave press will stand up for America given the prophetic knowledge of a future Hitler? Illegal immigrant Michael Sandford gave it shot in dramatic fashion, but was subdued before he could get anywhere. Of course the assassination attempt was hardly covered by the press, and is now largely forgotten. But when his father asked his son what happened, Michael Sandford said Trump’s election “would change the world and that somebody had to stand up for America”. That statement sounded eerily similar to a CNN op-ed. Sandford’s parents believed he was acting on the instructions of others.

I wonder if something like Orwell’s Two Minutes Hate might have some effect on someone as disturbed as Sandford? The election news cycle was a smear of epic proportions, after all, and the readers—and probably the writers—were duped by their own propaganda. The same elite prognosticators and wealthy fortune tellers who, even with all the data, couldn’t predict the results of an election let alone its effects on the future, nonetheless predicted a future Hitler to those who would believe them.

Candidate Trump was portrayed as a dictator, and everyone did their part. Photos of Trump and his supporters taken out of context were made to look like his supporters were giving him a Nazi salute, and unscrupulous reporters had a field-day reporting on how they felt about it rather than the facts of the matter. Comedy and late-night television pushed this revelation to their audiences, reinforcing it with laughter and cruelty and complicit applause. To prove their lies, these fortune-tellers amplified fringe voices like that of David Duke and white nationalists, cherry-picking their evidence, while actively suppressing the voices of millions others. They exploited their reader’s tendency towards base fallacy and ignorance.

Hence the schadenfreude. Better to destroy tear it all down just in case the click-baiting, money-grubbing, orthodox news corporations happened to employ Nostradamus. They didn’t. In the end, the readers were duped by the 4th estate, allowing the same media that spat on the ethics of their craft in order to influence the election, the same unbiased informers who endorsed the opposition, to do their thinking for them. They were promised a dystopian, “dark”, and dictatorial future, something that still might actually come about because all of their prophecies tend to be of the self-fulfilling type.

It’s only been a year and, granted, it could all change, but to this day every single warning about a dictatorship, rising fascism, rise in hate crimes, the destruction of the constitution, nuclear annihilation, concentration camps, the suppression of a free press, the war on women, homosexuals, blacks, Muslims etc. turned out to be the fevered fantasies of those who would believe any revelations about the future, so long as they were handed to them by their ideological superiors.

Upon the realization that the media was spreading propaganda, not information, I thought that would be the end of it—even kool-aid tastes bitter after a while. But fast-forward to a year later and the screaming continues (in some cases literally) proving once again that their little protests were always the mere catharsis of reactionary, spoiled brats, who were brought up on a lie.

May the future Hitler arrive, at least so they may shut up for a little while.

LesMis





posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:05 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
When New York Times Magazine asked its readers whether they would murder an infant Hitler, 28% said “not sure”, 30% said “no”, and 42% said “Yes”. In other words, so long as people were led to believe they could prevent a genocidal dictator, a holocaust, and the horrors of a murderous regime, 42% would kill an innocent newborn in order to do so. But what if the reader was duped, and the infant was never Hitler to begin with?


The way you become a leader is find a parade and step in front of it. If not Hitler it would have been someone else. The German people are what gave Hitler his power. The 1937 German people wanted Hitler and they got him.

The 2016 American people wanted Trump and they got him.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:12 PM
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Its right in Hillary's emails them discussing pretty early on instructing her that when pinched to make comparisons of him to Hitler. Then in no time the whole DNC hatchet machine went ballistic with all that racket. And never let up about it.

Here goes the architect of Hillary's Paid Riot Squads doing such a piece in HuffPo:


He has a 2nd piece in that site along those lines too.

Quite an effective campaign...


When the crazy thing is Hillary has the traits more down pat than anyone in modern US history:


While of course the crux of their entire position is that minorities CANT be racist, and white on white racism isnt racism either.
edit on 20-11-2017 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:14 PM
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Did you see President Trump’s tweet...

He said that the father of the sportsman who shoplifted in China was ungrateful...
& that he “should have left them in prison”.

You may be wondering how that is relevant...

Think about it...
Given that statement, he clearly didn’t do what he did because he believed it to be right...
He didn’t do so because he felt it was his duty as President, right or wrong, to protect those Americans...

His own words prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he did what he did for praise...
To bolster his own image...
For purely ego driven and selfish reason...

So while you may be correct that Hitler hasn’t yet arrived, I think it a bit premature to say that the world’s most powerful man who does things purely for his own benefit, and speculatively in the early stages of dementia, won’t go from mere strongman authoritarian to absolute dictator.


Unlikely, improbable even. But always a possibility.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:20 PM
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The predictions were never real. They were the delusional fantasies of people who wanted to feel like they were "resisting" something worth resisting instead of just throwing a temper tantrum.

To be clear, they were just throwing a temper tantrum, and some still are a year later.
edit on 20 11 17 by face23785 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:22 PM
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-Chris



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:24 PM
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An interesting OP. Have chewed it over for a few minutes. There's more than a germ of truth in what you're saying. However, I think it imputes too much competence to the news media. I think they ran with what they had, which is that Trump's election victory was a huge and massive upset for received wisdom, the pundits, and (most of) the pollsters alike. A shock like that produces shocked reactions, and so that's what we got reflected back at us in the news.

And because it was a great story (which it was) people reacted to it, and we ended up stuck in a feedback loop of people reacting to shocking stories, and their reactions being reported as stories, which caused people to react (etc ad seemingly infinitum).

Trump's election was a coup in the original sense, in so far as "coup" means "dramatic turn of events." All that hysteria that had suddenly been whipped up soon transferred itself to all sorts of other things (North Korea and the alt-right, to name but two of the folk devils that have been terrorising the feeble-minded) and it appears to be running its course at last. N.b., this may prove to be an optimistic reading, but I think "Russiagate" isn't really going to pan out to be the gotterdammerung a lot of tweeters and facebookers are praying for.

TL;DR - the media are a form of entertainment, and you don't need any master plan to get them to over-sensationalise, distort, and exaggerate a story that they would have followed in minute detail anyway.

As for "baby Hitler", why kill him? If I could be there during his infancy, I'd open a trust fund for him so that with 18 years of compound interest he could buy his way into art college and not end up embittered. It would save everyone a lot of trouble in the long run!


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posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:25 PM
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originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Did you see President Trump’s tweet...

He said that the father of the sportsman who shoplifted in China was ungrateful...
& that he “should have left them in prison”.

You may be wondering how that is relevant...

Think about it...
Given that statement, he clearly didn’t do what he did because he believed it to be right...
He didn’t do so because he felt it was his duty as President, right or wrong, to protect those Americans...

His own words prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he did what he did for praise...
To bolster his own image...
For purely ego driven and selfish reason...

So while you may be correct that Hitler hasn’t yet arrived, I think it a bit premature to say that the world’s most powerful man who does things purely for his own benefit, and speculatively in the early stages of dementia, won’t go from mere strongman authoritarian to absolute dictator.


Unlikely, improbable even. But always a possibility.


This is exactly the kind of baseless hysteria the OP was pointing out.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:26 PM
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posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: Christosterone

Socialism is not fascism.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Did you see President Trump’s tweet...

He said that the father of the sportsman who shoplifted in China was ungrateful...
& that he “should have left them in prison”.

You may be wondering how that is relevant...

Think about it...
Given that statement, he clearly didn’t do what he did because he believed it to be right...
He didn’t do so because he felt it was his duty as President, right or wrong, to protect those Americans...

His own words prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he did what he did for praise...
To bolster his own image...
For purely ego driven and selfish reason...

So while you may be correct that Hitler hasn’t yet arrived, I think it a bit premature to say that the world’s most powerful man who does things purely for his own benefit, and speculatively in the early stages of dementia, won’t go from mere strongman authoritarian to absolute dictator.


Unlikely, improbable even. But always a possibility.


This is exactly the kind of baseless hysteria the OP was pointing out.


Would you mind expanding on why it is “baseless”, instead of just spouting a specious & typical star-whoring, drive by one liner?

If you could also expand on why it is “hysteria”, I’d be grateful.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Did you see President Trump’s tweet...

He said that the father of the sportsman who shoplifted in China was ungrateful...
& that he “should have left them in prison”.

You may be wondering how that is relevant...

Think about it...
Given that statement, he clearly didn’t do what he did because he believed it to be right...
He didn’t do so because he felt it was his duty as President, right or wrong, to protect those Americans...

His own words prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he did what he did for praise...
To bolster his own image...
For purely ego driven and selfish reason...

So while you may be correct that Hitler hasn’t yet arrived, I think it a bit premature to say that the world’s most powerful man who does things purely for his own benefit, and speculatively in the early stages of dementia, won’t go from mere strongman authoritarian to absolute dictator.


Unlikely, improbable even. But always a possibility.


This is exactly the kind of baseless hysteria the OP was pointing out.


Would you mind expanding on why it is “baseless”, instead of just spouting a specious & typical star-whoring, drive by one liner?

If you could also expand on why it is “hysteria”, I’d be grateful.


baseless
(adj) without foundation in fact

Being that your post was full of made up nonsense, it meets the definition. Your assertion about his motivations was complete speculation, and calling it "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" was just embarrassing. I won't even address the dementia comment.

Time to become an adult. Fairy tales are for kids.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:35 PM
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originally posted by: Christosterone


-Chris


Fake rubbish, I'm afraid. The words in that quote are actually from Gregor Strasser, a political rival of Hitler's, who was writing in 1926 (see page 89 here.)

Hitler had Strasser murdered in 1934 precisely because he kept proposing these lefty ideas. In fact, Hitler murdered pretty much every socialist in the Nazi party, once they had served their short-term purpose of getting him into power. Because Hitler not only was not a socialist, he regarded socialism as a Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy. I mean, duh!



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:38 PM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Did you see President Trump’s tweet...

He said that the father of the sportsman who shoplifted in China was ungrateful...
& that he “should have left them in prison”.

You may be wondering how that is relevant...

Think about it...
Given that statement, he clearly didn’t do what he did because he believed it to be right...
He didn’t do so because he felt it was his duty as President, right or wrong, to protect those Americans...

His own words prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he did what he did for praise...
To bolster his own image...
For purely ego driven and selfish reason...

So while you may be correct that Hitler hasn’t yet arrived, I think it a bit premature to say that the world’s most powerful man who does things purely for his own benefit, and speculatively in the early stages of dementia, won’t go from mere strongman authoritarian to absolute dictator.


Unlikely, improbable even. But always a possibility.


This is exactly the kind of baseless hysteria the OP was pointing out.


Would you mind expanding on why it is “baseless”, instead of just spouting a specious & typical star-whoring, drive by one liner?

If you could also expand on why it is “hysteria”, I’d be grateful.


baseless
(adj) without foundation in fact

Being that your post was full of made up nonsense, it meets the definition. Your assertion about his motivations was complete speculation, and calling it "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" was just embarrassing. I won't even address the dementia comment.

Time to become an adult. Fairy tales are for kids.


Want a chuckle?

READ THIS POST



edit on 20-11-2017 by seeker1963 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:41 PM
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Textman who does things purely for his own benefit, and speculatively in the early stages of dementia


YEAH because a person who has it HASN'T been there BEFORE,Hillary's further GONE anyway.
I AM SO amused at ALL the SOCIAL diagnosis "EXPERTS" THAT can TOTALLY convince you when it wasn't in his passed like PELOSI 'S speeches.
Bidens ON COMERA groping.
Hillary's ABANDONING men in the field and HER perverty husband and THAT traitor we JUST kicked out that's running obstruction to the function of the country FOR YOUR side.
YEAH we AREn't going to follow THAT crap.. nor your LARAZA fan who HEADS the DNC.
We are enjoying your BONFIRE however.
YET LOOK who the DEMS rally behind...PERVERTS thieves and THAT, BUT as characters go ...LAWYERS...



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:48 PM
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For the average voter, it wasn't so much making Trump a winner as it was making those America hating bubble dwelling leftie elitists suffer their just dues.

They were determined to win at all costs, cheating at every step of the way, using premeditated vile attacks at calculated moments. That Trump stood up front to take it on the chin for the nation where lesser men would have surely crumbled is a quality that was lacking like when Romney basically gave up a month from the finish line.

They had their media, they had the skeletons from the closets on every contender, the full apparatus of the Justice department turned on the opposition. It all blew up in their faces, even their ace in the hole only got one of their own, fledgling media talent Billy Bush ruined.

Every dirty trick in the Democrat's political playbook failed them, which is why they are now so willing to turn to street violence. They will find their own Hitler, and when they do, they will be the first to be purged from their own Party but they are too stupid to realize it.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Did you see President Trump’s tweet...

He said that the father of the sportsman who shoplifted in China was ungrateful...
& that he “should have left them in prison”.

You may be wondering how that is relevant...

Think about it...
Given that statement, he clearly didn’t do what he did because he believed it to be right...
He didn’t do so because he felt it was his duty as President, right or wrong, to protect those Americans...

His own words prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he did what he did for praise...
To bolster his own image...
For purely ego driven and selfish reason...

So while you may be correct that Hitler hasn’t yet arrived, I think it a bit premature to say that the world’s most powerful man who does things purely for his own benefit, and speculatively in the early stages of dementia, won’t go from mere strongman authoritarian to absolute dictator.


Unlikely, improbable even. But always a possibility.


This is exactly the kind of baseless hysteria the OP was pointing out.


Would you mind expanding on why it is “baseless”, instead of just spouting a specious & typical star-whoring, drive by one liner?

If you could also expand on why it is “hysteria”, I’d be grateful.


baseless
(adj) without foundation in fact

Being that your post was full of made up nonsense, it meets the definition. Your assertion about his motivations was complete speculation, and calling it "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" was just embarrassing. I won't even address the dementia comment.

Time to become an adult. Fairy tales are for kids.


Firstly, I said the dementia angle is being speculated.
I never claimed it was a fact.

Secondly, you’re clearly in denial.

“Should have left them in prison”...
Meaning he regrets his initial decision...
This based on solely on the father’s ungrateful attitude...

How does that not prove that he did what he did for praise?
Praise that didn’t come...
Which left him pissed off enough to take to twitter and say what he said...

I don’t know how you can come to any other conclusion that he did it for egotistical reasons with those words...
Unless you’re are either brainwashed or simply so invested that you feel the need to defend every little thing he does and says.

Absolutely ridiculous.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Did you see President Trump’s tweet...

He said that the father of the sportsman who shoplifted in China was ungrateful...
& that he “should have left them in prison”.

You may be wondering how that is relevant...

Think about it...
Given that statement, he clearly didn’t do what he did because he believed it to be right...
He didn’t do so because he felt it was his duty as President, right or wrong, to protect those Americans...

His own words prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he did what he did for praise...
To bolster his own image...
For purely ego driven and selfish reason...

So while you may be correct that Hitler hasn’t yet arrived, I think it a bit premature to say that the world’s most powerful man who does things purely for his own benefit, and speculatively in the early stages of dementia, won’t go from mere strongman authoritarian to absolute dictator.


Unlikely, improbable even. But always a possibility.


This is exactly the kind of baseless hysteria the OP was pointing out.


Would you mind expanding on why it is “baseless”, instead of just spouting a specious & typical star-whoring, drive by one liner?

If you could also expand on why it is “hysteria”, I’d be grateful.


baseless
(adj) without foundation in fact

Being that your post was full of made up nonsense, it meets the definition. Your assertion about his motivations was complete speculation, and calling it "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" was just embarrassing. I won't even address the dementia comment.

Time to become an adult. Fairy tales are for kids.


Want a chuckle?

READ THIS POST




Hmmm, that’s a bizarre reaction.

What’s to “chuckle” at?
Are you trying to make a point?
Is it that I’m a hypocrite?
I can’t think of any other reason you would post that...

If so, you’re wrong.
Questioning the left-right paradigm does not mean I cannot criticise President Trump.

I didn’t even mention left-right in this thread.
So I’m seriously confused by your post.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:55 PM
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a reply to: audubon

Let’s take a walk down memory lane

Who nationalized industry[Krupp steel, healthcare, railroads, people’s(volks) car(wagen)]

-Chris



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:56 PM
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originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Did you see President Trump’s tweet...

He said that the father of the sportsman who shoplifted in China was ungrateful...
& that he “should have left them in prison”.

You may be wondering how that is relevant...

Think about it...
Given that statement, he clearly didn’t do what he did because he believed it to be right...
He didn’t do so because he felt it was his duty as President, right or wrong, to protect those Americans...

His own words prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he did what he did for praise...
To bolster his own image...
For purely ego driven and selfish reason...

So while you may be correct that Hitler hasn’t yet arrived, I think it a bit premature to say that the world’s most powerful man who does things purely for his own benefit, and speculatively in the early stages of dementia, won’t go from mere strongman authoritarian to absolute dictator.


Unlikely, improbable even. But always a possibility.


There is a difference between words and actions. I think imagining the lowest possible motives in a human being, and then further pretending it is the right one, is a far more vile and menacing quality in a human being than Defending oneself on twitter.



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