What makes the left left and the right right.

originally posted by: snowspirit
a reply to: Noncents

According to the bottom pic there, I'm neither left, nor right.
I am, however, libertarian left AND right. Smuush those red and blue together, turn them purple.

Yeah, that's kind of the thing with libertarian-ism, it's all over the place. I think that's why a lot of people dismiss it so easily. It requires too much thinking and it's harder to project onto.

originally posted by: Noncents

originally posted by: snowspirit
a reply to: Noncents

According to the bottom pic there, I'm neither left, nor right.
I am, however, libertarian left AND right. Smuush those red and blue together, turn them purple.

Yeah, that's kind of the thing with libertarian-ism, it's all over the place. I think that's why a lot of people dismiss it so easily. It requires too much thinking and it's harder to project onto.

There's no virtue in selfishness. It's very anti-human.

a reply to: dfnj2015
I think I agree but I don't understand what that has to do with what you quoted.

originally posted by: Noncents
a reply to: dfnj2015
I think I agree but I don't understand what that has to do with what you quoted.

I thought you were an Ayn Rand libertarian.

a reply to: dfnj2015

What's selfish about it?

There's both giving to those in need, and supporting charity.

a reply to: dfnj2015
Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up. I consider myself an independent with libertarian leanings, sure, but I've never read Ayn Rand. I have tried to listen to Atlas Shrugged a couple times but it didn't hold my interest and I never got around to actually reading it.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Noncents
a reply to: dfnj2015
I think I agree but I don't understand what that has to do with what you quoted.

I thought you were an Ayn Rand libertarian.

Ayn Rand was just a lipstick Libertarian. Actually she was dependent on social security when she got old.


knowledgenuts.com...

Hypocrisy exemplified.....

a reply to: ketsuko

There has never been proof of ANYTHING concerning the future..


Have those screaming to slow down been right before??

Absolutely..

But long run progress always wins.

In my humble opinion conservatism is based around the logic that “it’s always been that way, so it must be that way for a reason..”

But that reason either might not have just in the first place or might not even still apply do to technology..

You can have either Left or Right Authoritarians.

But you cannot have both left and right Capitalism.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

I am like you, I have beliefs that would not really fit into either political paradigm. The one thing I do believe is that
too much power is what will ultimately destroy our nation. That being said, I find myself on "the left" based on the idea that "the right" is obsessed with making the rich and powerful, more rich and powerful. I just look to the latest FCC nominee who Trump has picked who is going to finally destroy net neutrality, or siding with the oil drilling companies, or the fracking obsession, of deregulating banks, or rigging the tax system for the rich and powerful. You can go down the line and "the right" is never on the side of the common man in policy, they are in rhetoric currently but that won't last.

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
Left: Emotion
Right: Logic

That's hardly true. If the right leaning voters of America voted based upon logic, they will have not put a billionaire conman in charge of restoring the middle class. The right is so based in emotion that anyone who does toe the line is dubbed a RINO and ejected from the party for not maintaining ideological purity, hardly a logical way to cultivate logic

a reply to: Hazardous1408

Hey Hazardous: I haven't replied to a thread in a long time, and certainly am never active in this category of political swampage.


However, I think this is an essential and excellent question: what makes the right, or republicans, what they are (on other words, what do they stand for), and democrats, on the left, what they supposedly stand for.

There is an old, but still 20th century author named Ayn Rand. She wrote a book called "Atlas Shrugged," and another called "The Fountainhead," and I mention this because both these books were scripts to both define and describe the effect of what republicanism and democracism stood for and their resultant effect.....

Check them out. In fact, member of congress claiming to be republican or democrat should check them out, cause we have veered so far away from these precepts it isn't even funny, anymore. And you know the primary way it's done????
Is their assumption and the reality sometimes of our, the populous's, lack of education....

Sincerely,
tetra

a reply to: Hazardous1408

What makes the left left and the right right?

I've posted this a few times over the past few years, if not already done so, I recommend taking the time to watch this series - imo, it answers your question quite nicely.

An examination of the biological and genetic basis for political ideologies: Do genetics determine if you’re a liberal or conservative? What role does r/K selection theory play in the world where we live? How big is your amygdala - and what does that mean about your possible political perspective? Includes a look at the Prefrontal Cortex, Anterior Cingulate Cortex and the impact of dopamine in the realm of political biology.

BUT - watch part 1 first (below) - it sets the basis for the series and will make parts 2 & 3 easier to understand.

Occasionally new information completely blow your mind - and this is one of those times! Stefan Molyneux breaks down the basics of the genetic warfare which is the foundation of all living creatures. Different reproduction strategies have emerged over time and this is explained through r/K Selection Theory. When you look at humanity through the lens of reproduction strategies - it's something you can never, and will never, be able to unsee!

a reply to: Hazardous1408

I consider myself to be a conservative. I think immigration needs more control, and less red tape. (oxymoron) I think abortion is murder, but I have no right to tell others how to live their lives, or what choices to make, that's between them and their creator. I am pro gun. I think a much smaller government (federal) is needed, and much more state level action is warranted. I don't know what Health care is needed, but I know what we have now isn't it.

I identify with personal responsibility, and fully believe that ANYONE can make something of themselves, if they are willing to fail. Failing is the best teacher to success.

I really, really despise the arrogant attitude "the left" has adopted in the last 8-10 years. Formal education doesn't make you smarter, it makes you more educated, and there is a MASSIVE difference.

Until the smugness is gone, I can't see the divide going anywhere. My $0.02.

Double.

It's the script you get handed and bark without thinking.

Most people are not one thing. Some are but not most.

Americans in general are skeptical of government. Even those who want socialism are skeptics they just don't understand what socialism would do in terms of giving more power to government.

The social issues related are where things get weird. Some libs are say catholic so no abortions, etc
Some conservatives think religion shouldn't be a part of legislature at all.

Then there are independents who are like agnostics. Let's just see who is the best candidate.

I guess as somebody else stated, it comes from the French General Assembly where the supporters of the king stood to the right.

Right: Basically the guys who are taking your money want to continue taking your money. Also includes people who are proud, who would like to imagine themselves as (All-American), as one those guys who are taking the money but are actually one of the suckers, being taken.

Left: Politicians who pose like they would like to help the common folk, but are actually down with the same people who are taking your money.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Hazardous1408


I really, really despise the arrogant attitude "the left" has adopted in the last 8-10 years. Formal education doesn't make you smarter, it makes you more educated, and there is a MASSIVE difference.

Until the smugness is gone, I can't see the divide going anywhere. My $0.02.

That's part of the question. You say this about the left - is this the right telling the left how they are thinking/feeling? What is that has the left so hated? What is it about the left that makes you think of arrogance? Some are arrogant, I would say the same about the right as well. Both sides have lost their minds lately.

I believe in at least half of what you put in there as a conservative.....yet there is hatred of the left. I'm a centre to left, sometimes lean a little right, but I feel more hated by the right.
Pro gun- yes, pro choice - only in the first trimester (after that its murder), less government, controlled immigration, any country should want its citizens healthy and well educated. By well educated I don't mean anything other than basics, common sense, trades are good to know, and street smarts are important. Hate Hillary, hate Trump. They're both morons (mostly).

Just irritated that there's just so much division. It's hard to be feeling "smug" when your despised without knowing why.

Both sides have no tolerance.

Why are people concentrating on differences and hating them, when people could actually be learning from one another.
There's so many more similarities than differences, what ever happened to curiosity about other, without the judgement?

Divided we all fall.......

a reply to: snowspirit

You would have to go through some of the political threads to see the smug arrogance I speak of. On ATS, it's about 7 to 10 posters who really personify this tone, but in the MSM, it's exactly how I see the entirety of them. I do realize that not everyone who leans left is like this, and there are assholes on the right as well, but my view from where I sit, looks like what I described.

a reply to: network dude

Oh, definitely the msm has lost their minds. CNN is the most common American media up here, and they've gone so "full on retard" on Trump, I've found myself yelling at the tv, defending him. He's not ALWAYS wrong, he's comedy gold at times, and I agree with him sometimes. But I still don't like him. But he is amusing 🤔

The repetition of CNN trying to convince the people that he's way worse than he is, the anti-Russia propaganda is way over the top, and they lie a lot. I would think that they're starting to lose viewers.....