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What makes the left left and the right right.

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posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 05:09 PM
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There are basically two types of people in the world:

1) that believes all people are born bad - selfish.
and
2) that believes all people are born good - altruistic.

The Right believes that you must force people to do what is right (by their estimation).

The Left believes that you must provide for a safe space for people to come to the right decisions.

The right - control, domination, uniformity. Hierarchy.

THe left - cooperation, integration, individualism. Democracy




posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 05:09 PM
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Left / Right is a tool used for control by keeping the sides at each others throats.

It's a very powerful tool to divide as we see here every day. It diverts attention off those who hold the power.

At some point many if not most of us figure it out and go Independent, because truth be told, most of us mature enough to do so understand what's going on.

Tribalism is in our nature and it's easy to use it as a tool to control us. Making the other side the bogeyman is easy to do, since we are so easily manipulated.

It's a shame really that we as a species have yet to evolve the critical thinking skills to protect us from being so easily manipulated. Our own selfishness also makes us easy to control.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 05:11 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

When you figure it out, let me know?? Please??

Because I've no idea.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 05:16 PM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd
There are basically two types of people in the world:

1) that believes all people are born bad - selfish.
and
2) that believes all people are born good - altruistic.

The Right believes that you must force people to do what is right (by their estimation).

The Left believes that you must provide for a safe space for people to come to the right decisions.

The right - control, domination, uniformity. Hierarchy.

THe left - cooperation, integration, individualism. Democracy


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posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: Noncents

On the top one, I tend to rank out in the libertarian right quarter.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 05:42 PM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

By your own definition, I am a left winger.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408
I would look at the question historically.
The distinction goes back to French politics, the Revolution and the aftermath. The label "left" got assigned to those who wanted to improve society by changing it, "right" to those preferring to keep society good by changing as little as possible.
That is still the basic difference, though the actual shape of the shape of the alternatives varies from country to country.

In the Italy of two centuries ago, the nationalists were the revolutionaries, because they wanted to overthrow the little foreign dynasties and create a free united Italy. That would make them "left wing".

The "right wing" asssociations of nationalism are really the fault of Hitler.The Nazis were originally the National Socialist German Workers' Party, and Hitler wanted to remould society by the use of violence, so there might be a case for calling him "left wing". But because he was violently opposed to the communists (and because he allied with conservative forces like the army), he has been regarded as the extreme opposite. If the communists were left wing, Hitler must be right wing. That association has settled the labelling of nationalism in general. It's the reason why the "fascist" label is slapped on anyone who picks up a gun to fight for his own people (e.g. Ukrainian) against another people.

America has got its own idiosyncrasies. I gather that American right-wingers tend to be "agin" central government, which feels odd from a European perspective; In Britain and probably Europe in general, anyone who is "agin the government" will want to align himself with the left. I suppose that's also the reason for the gun obsession.

Apart from that, the issues you name are fairly straightforward. Being pro-abortion, pro-feminism, anti-gun, pro-immigration, are all regarded (by their advocates) as changing society in order to improve it, which makes them left-wing causes.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

I think in the U.S., people are so ashamed of the parties they vote for that they prefer to use the terms 'left' and 'right.'

But we are really talking about 'Democrats' and 'Republicans,' in the U.S., because 95% of voters give their votes to the two parties and not to some generic (but genuine) 'left' or 'right' candidate.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 05:49 PM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

A fairly straightforward analysis, and yes, American right and left are different than Euro right and left for all that some in the US would like to ignore that reality because it allows for a convenient smear if they do - "Oh, look at the right wing Nazis!" The truth, as you rightly point out, is far more complicated.

The easiest shorthand is more government v. less of it for the most part.
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posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 05:59 PM
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I don't think the libertarian right's a bad place to be. There's something like eight classifications of libertarian but at least they're all on the same overall track. I'm cool with that.

And I agree 100% with Blaine's appraisal of the situation. Independent is where it's at.

One thing I've been wondering along the lines of this thread, hopefully, not too off-topic... Do you folks think libertarians are okay in the independent camp or is that it's own thing entirely?


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posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 06:03 PM
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a reply to: Noncents

I don't think the independent camp is quite what the press thinks it is. I know there are a lot of people like myself who just don't feel like we should swear to either party because neither one really best represents us. It's just too bad the libertarians can't be bothered to really cheerlead for much beyond legalized vice.

If they could support the full spectrum of libertarianism, I might be more enthusiastic about them.

I tend to try to vote libertarian local when I can.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 06:04 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408 The answer to your question is simple....sort of. Over the past 70+years we have been groomed to be of one or the other. Therefore leaving any other idea as radical or far right or left. Design by structure is a term that comes to mind. Kinda like alternative thinking became conspiracy theory and therefore discrediting the idea. If you choose to adhere to a certain party line then you have lost the fight. Stay in the middle and you may find a path to success. The system is designed for you to choose one or the other. Do not fall for the trick.




posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 06:11 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

It is all based i it’s most basic sense on progress/change vs conserving tradition/social order.

At least that is in the broadest sense how we define right and left, and how it can be applied to any Institution.

Now obviously not every group Fox’s neatly into that, but that is the starting point..



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 06:17 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

The problem with that is the assumption that no one on the right ever wants to change anything, and that's simply not true. What we want is good proof that what we're changing to will, in fact, be better than what we have.

Often these days, the left seems hell bent on change simply for the sake of change without really stopping to consider if the change is warranted, necessary or even being proposed in the best way to create a compromise to satisfy all parties.

And then there are the ideas the left has that aren't even new ideas at all but old ideas from Marx that have failed quite a few times and are financially unsound. But they want what they want like the kid who doesn't care that the LEGO Millennium Falcon is more than $100 ... he just wants it.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
I am pro gun, pro choice, pro legal immigration, pro freedom, pro legalization of marijuana, anti-universal healthcare....I am not sure WHAT I am to be honest.


I'm close to that, although I believe in healthcare (Canadian- I've been raised without ever having to pay doctors). And immigration needs to be controlled to be done properly.

According to the political test I took - libertarian anarchist. But non violent. But still pro gun, better to have and not need, than need and not have....

It's infuriating to hear about the evils of the heretical left, to be told we think a certain way, which is supposedly all wrong thinking - except those weird thoughts that we're accused of thinking, are not at all what we're thinking.

Politicalcompass.org was the site that had the test.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 06:20 PM
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Any society has both types of people/thinking. Each with their Assets and liabilities.


Meanwhile examining the contents of 76 college students' bedrooms, as one group did in a 2008 study,

revealed that conservatives possessed more cleaning and organizational items, such as ironing boards and calendars, confirmation that they are orderly and self-disciplined.

Liberals owned more books and travel-related memorabilia, which conforms with previous research suggesting that they are open and novelty-seeking.


www.scientificamerican.com...

We need people with all thinking styles and we need to encourage individuals to work towards a balanced thinking and behavioral style.

And the 'people are good' type are much more likely to cooperate with the 'people are bad' types. The 'people are bad' types just want the 'people are good' types to shut up and do what they are told.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 06:30 PM
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a reply to: Noncents

According to the bottom pic there, I'm neither left, nor right.
I am, however, libertarian left AND right. Smuush those red and blue together, turn them purple.


The red blue thing is a bit confusing, I have to remember that liberals in Canada which is our more middle political party, are red, conservatives are blue. Our "left" (NDP) is orange....
I associate red with socialism.....
The US is opposite.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 06:35 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
I am pro gun, pro choice, pro legal immigration, pro freedom, pro legalization of marijuana, anti-universal healthcare....I am not sure WHAT I am to be honest.


That about sums me up perfectly. I try to find the "one" I agree with "the most" and go from there....



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 06:44 PM
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All I know is ....

I've been called a "people like you" so many times, I wear that label like a badge of honor.



I'm all about "live and let Live"
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posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 06:47 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

All the media outlets are owned by conservatives. You will never hear anything on a major media outlet talking about organizing unions for higher pay. You will never hear the media outlets ever criticize their advertisers for polluting the environment. Everyone on the right has a bigger voice. The right yells a lot louder than the left. The right constantly is determined and successfully defines what it means to be left. And the right is always trying to push this country further to the right.

If you want to know what the left is then here, watch this video on Karl Marx:



If you want to know what the left is then read this speech from FDR:



"An old English judge once said: 'Necessitous men are not free men.' Liberty requires opportunity to make a living - a living decent according to the standard of the time, a living which gives man not only enough to live by, but something to live for.

For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people's property, other people's money, other people's labor - other people's lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness.

Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of government."


Speech before the 1936 Democratic National Convention

Take Hillary Clinton for example. Hillary Clinton is a Nixon Republican. She actually worked on Barry Goldwater's campaign in college as she stated in her book. She's not a liberal. She's not on the left. Bernie Sanders was the FDR liberal.




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