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What makes the left left and the right right.

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posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 03:58 PM
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Help me understand this paradigm...

I mean, I see people on here everyday, arguing the virtues and cons of their chosen direction.

& it all seems so pointless to me...

The reason I ask this, is that it came to me earlier...

I had CNN on and they were talking about Germany...
They mentioned “the far right” and said something about immigration...

& it got me thinking...
What makes an anti-immigration stance “far right wing”?

Then I thought of other topics, like abortion, guns, UBI, LGBT, feminism and a few others.

Who decided what side of the spectrum these issues fall on?

I mean, I’m pro gun, anti abortion, pro immigration, pro universal healthcare.

So I don’t feel a part of this “left-right” divide...
I make my own decisions.

I share no allegiance to these partisans.
Because depending on the issue, I could be an ally or an enemy in their eyes.

I don’t know what I’m expecting with this thread, honestly.

Maybe some of these questions will cause others to become confused with this “left-right” nonsense as well.
Maybe some already felt this way.

One thing I’m sure about, this thread will not prevent people from continuing to criticise the “left” or the “right”...
I’m also certain if you asked these partisans to define “left” & “right” they would struggle to do so.


If there is any words of wisdom I could provide the dear readers, it would be this...
There isn’t a single “left” or “right” wing elitist, but they sure as hell know how to push that paradigm to keep us divided.



Thanks for reading.




posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

That is a very good question and an important one as the divide seems to be growing greater day by day.

I myself would identify as left not so much because of the views of the left but to dissasociate from the right and that is a stupid way of doing things lol.




posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

Today, they are just labels to show whether you are liberal or conservative.

It started with french general assembly.


It turns out that the historical explanation for the political terms left wing and right wing are based upon the seating arrangement of the first French General Assembly. The proponents of the political ideas inspired by the Enlightenment were seated on the left. Those who supported the old regime were seated at the right hand of the president of the Assembly.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:06 PM
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That would make you an Independent. I am somewhat the same...I understand people need help, but am not a fan of big government. I would rather the underlying problem of healthcare (cost) be addressed instead of taxing everyone into oblivion to pay for it.

Pretty much conservatives are considered the right and liberals the left. For many of us, there are some positions that fit more in the opposing camp.
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posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:06 PM
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Double post, need some sleep...
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posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

Well the problem stems from the fact that we know labels are rarely 100 percent accurate, yet humans seem to have a need to use labels.

I have seen the left and right defined a million ways.

Being able to slide about definitions is a useful tool for people that aren't interested in discussing truth, but rather having their side win.

So many times, people define their side as good, and the other side bad.

For example, a member on ats routinely defines the left as meaning you have little money, care about people, and work hard to be good. Therefore the right are rich evil people.

And there are people in the right that do the same.

I consider myself right wing, but I believe in small government and personal freedom. Some may call that left wing.

What's important is that although we may use labels, we don't let ourselves be defined by it.

In other words, I applaud you and share your belief that my opinions cross political labels.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:08 PM
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left wing politics revolve around socialism while right wing politics revolve around capitalism.
neo-nazis rebranded themselves as the alt-right and declared things they don't like as left, when that didn't work they tried the word antifa which didn't catch on.
enter trump and largely uneducated types hanging onto his coattails picked up on buzzwords.

remember, stalin, pol pot, castro and mao were all left wing, would you class them as soft lilly livered types to scared of their own shadow like the left that stormfront would have you believe?



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:12 PM
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I am pro gun, pro choice, pro legal immigration, pro freedom, pro legalization of marijuana, anti-universal healthcare....I am not sure WHAT I am to be honest.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:19 PM
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Good/Bad
Right/Wrong
Black/White

The “left” and “right” are simply extensions of those most basic of designations...

How you apply it is based upon your [political] sensibilities which are defined by your morality...

-Chris



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:21 PM
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Wow I was just thinking about this I even googled what is a liberal earlier.

I dont know what I am lol.

I have left leaning views Like "her body her choice " Unless its my kid. I dont believe in Religion , I think drugs should be legal , I am for protecting the borders , I am very pro constitution and patriotic, And I am all for universal health care paid for by our taxes. And I think the military budget should be cut in half.

So what am I?

Oh and I think if you have a penis you use the mens restroom. I think gay people are completely normal and just like everyone else.
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posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
I am pro gun, pro choice, pro legal immigration, pro freedom, pro legalization of marijuana, anti-universal healthcare....I am not sure WHAT I am to be honest.


Same here... And honestly I could give a rats a**



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:26 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
I am pro gun, pro choice, pro legal immigration, pro freedom, pro legalization of marijuana, anti-universal healthcare....I am not sure WHAT I am to be honest.


Lmao my sentiments exactly. I think that might be the Allure of Trump to us.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

I'm not sure, but i think if you have opinions about anything, you're a Fascist Nazi.
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posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:43 PM
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Left: Emotion
Right: Logic





posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:46 PM
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If you are young and not a liberal you have no heart, and if you are old and not a conservative you have no brain...



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:46 PM
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I want the government mostly out of my life. I think it exists to protect inalienable rights (like the right to life which means I tend to be pro-life/pro-responsibility) but not to save you from yourself - so sure I'm not against the theory of legal drugs so long as you can't reach into my pocket to enable your bad habits if they get out of your control.

I don't think the government exists as a cudgel to force my charity by taking from me to distribute as it sees fit.

I think of someone on the left as someone who feels like government exists to do for them where they don't want to do for themselves - pay for their health care, pay for their college, pay for most anything really. And that comes at my expense.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko



-Chris



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

There is only one person on ATS who knows what left wing is. He can be found scooping communist ales and ignoring barbers every single day.

Forget the fact that some grew up in the militant fields of Liverpool in the 80's,Derek Hatton's playground.

Hold on, I need to re-read the op...




posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408
I think the left/right paradigm as a lot of people think about things is based off of their own concepts of right/wrong, projection and self-identification (even if they are wrong).

But there is the political compass to keep in mind when thinking about these things. There are a lot of variations of these things with varying degrees of slant. The whole concept does generalize a lot and it's easy for people to try to shoehorn others into fitting their projected concepts but it can help to get a 'quick and dirty' feel for someone's ideologies.

The extremist angles are pretty much go far enough one way or the other and you end up an anarchist or a totalitarian. It's a deep subject and I probably don't do it justice here.



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posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: Hazardous1408

If there is any words of wisdom I could provide the dear readers, it would be this...
There isn’t a single “left” or “right” wing

For how well can a bird fly with one wing?

When 1 observes some Americans stuck on side picking and still hating on Americans? totally missing the chess game, I wonder do they really understand what America stands for or is there some underlying appreciation for ignorance being used to manipulate and fuel the "distraction?

Causing them to forget what it stands for.
Who/what ever perpetuates it?



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