RE: North Korea. Why doesn't the Trump admin offer Kim a carrot while waving the stick?

a reply to: AnkhMorpork

IMO NK is nothing to worry about.

Ask yourself; "who gains?" The main man from NK and those that sourrround him know that nuke attacking the US would result in them getting wiped off the map in just one go.

The US on the other hand has proven itself to be a very war like country. Some may enven argue their leadership hungers for war.

Paul Wolfowitz, the neoconservative who was Deputy Secretary of Defense under the Bush regime, declared:

“Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power.” -

Is Wolfowitz, when referring to “hostile power” referring to any power independent of Washington’s control?

www.paulcraigroberts.org...

Is Wolfowitz referring to any power independent of Washington’s control?

Well, Russia and China are both independent of Washington’s control and I reckon Washington has done a good job of demonising NK and striking fear in the hearts of millions of people in the west.

Note also where they are both positioned, right alongside NK. I rekon some in Washington are salavating at the mouth for the opportunity to nuke NK because I am certain 1 or 2 turbo bombs would just accidently happen to land on the wrong side of the boader of NK in both Russia and China.

If Russia does not repond then whamo, givem a couple more ... but blame NK of course.

"Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere." Givem a couple more ought to realise that objective a? waddya tink?

originally posted by: proximo

originally posted by: dianajune

originally posted by: trollz
North Korea has been given handouts and rewards time and time again and they have consistently refused to hold up their end of the deal.
Trump made it very simple - stop building nuclear weapons and threatening to use them, or you get nothing. North Korea is very well able to stop what they're doing and rejoin the world community, but they choose not to.

The point I've been trying to make all along is that at some point, Trump will have to change his strategy. I thought that both he and Pence claimed "the era of strategic patience is over."

At what point do they believe it's over? Next year? Next month?

A person can only draw red lines so many times before it's time to take action.

Bugs Bunny = Trump
Wile E. Coyote = Kim

You do understand there is a good chance many thousands if not millions die if the slightest thing goes wrong when we attack correct?

That is not something you risk unless every possible alternative has been exhausted.

Who are these millions that will die? The myth of North Korea's rocket barrage leveling Seoul has been debunked in every recent North Korea thread. Most of the artillery can't reach Seoul, and the pieces that can reach the city can only hit the northern suburbs. South Koreans also have tons of bomb shelters. Some will die of course but most will be out of range and everyone else will make it into shelters quickly. And it's highly unlikely they can nuke South Korea yet. A bomber would never get through, and their missile system is still not that reliable, although it's possible.

Then there's the matter that defectors have revealed their army is in shambles. They're malnourished, poorly trained, poorly equipped and supplied. There's serious questions about whether they could even supply enough guns and ammo for all their troops. They're also not as fanatical as you've been led to believe. They are gung ho at first, then after years of being treated like dog# they realize everything they've been indoctrinated to believe is nonsense. They don't wanna die for the fat man.

Who are these millions that will die? The myth of North Korea's rocket barrage leveling Seoul has been debunked in every recent North Korea thread. Most of the artillery can't reach Seoul, and the pieces that can reach the city can only hit the northern suburbs. South Koreans also have tons of bomb shelters. Some will die of course but most will be out of range and everyone else will make it into shelters quickly. And it's highly unlikely they can nuke South Korea yet. A bomber would never get through, and their missile system is still not that reliable, although it's possible.

The problems with a war with NK are: would have to have boots on the ground to meet their army, China and Russia would get involved, and NK would probably fight dirty. There is no decent scenario with NK - which is why people have said our hands our tied, because they effectively are. Trump probably did the right thing adding them to the terror list.. it will make harsher sanctions possible.

originally posted by: fleabit

Who are these millions that will die? The myth of North Korea's rocket barrage leveling Seoul has been debunked in every recent North Korea thread. Most of the artillery can't reach Seoul, and the pieces that can reach the city can only hit the northern suburbs. South Koreans also have tons of bomb shelters. Some will die of course but most will be out of range and everyone else will make it into shelters quickly. And it's highly unlikely they can nuke South Korea yet. A bomber would never get through, and their missile system is still not that reliable, although it's possible.

The problems with a war with NK are: would have to have boots on the ground to meet their army, China and Russia would get involved, and NK would probably fight dirty. There is no decent scenario with NK - which is why people have said our hands our tied, because they effectively are. Trump probably did the right thing adding them to the terror list.. it will make harsher sanctions possible.

Nobody thinks it would be bloodless. But millions will die? No knowledgeable analyst has predicted that. It's mostly the media talking heads who say that, and then other people repeat it.