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Trump Tax Plan will be Devestating to Seniors and Poor People

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posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: CB328

It is false to claim over a cut of a trillion dollars from a program only budgeted 970 billion combined so we can at least agree that is ridiculous.




posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: Look2theSacredHeart
She thinks people who buy new cars and trophy houses are sucking the system dry, ignoring those in need in favor of material status symbols.


Myself and the US Debt Clock strongly agree with her. Our personal debt is close to surpassing our GDP.



posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: EternalShadow

But not one democrat is even voting for this love the rich phony tax cut.

You make what’s simple complicated by distracting from the simple truth. Sure the democrats aren’t perfect, but their still 10 times better than the republicans



posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 03:36 PM
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Trump lied and tricked the middle class whites in the rust belt that got him elected, and now people are seeing him for what he really is.

He’s out for himself!


This tax bill will cut taxes on businesses and cut inheritance taxes, two items that will directly save Trump billions of dollars.


Everything he’s doing is hurting working people: Obamacare first and now this.



posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: Look2theSacredHeart


For one, in a red state, some just can't afford birth control. Condoms do fail.

Abysha said it best. Birth control fails. Even vasectomies.


The pill if used correctly is like less than 1% chance over 10 years, but due to improper use it is like 60% chance over 10 years. Implant is best with the same 1% or less chance over 10 years and it is good for 4 years at a time. If a person is single then a condom is also required for STDs, so I wonder how many single women use both...I wonder how many millions of unwanted pregnancies would be avoided.


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posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

But not one democrat is even voting for this love the rich phony tax cut.

You make what’s simple complicated by distracting from the simple truth. Sure the democrats aren’t perfect, but their still 10 times better than the republicans


Not one would vote for a single thing republican no matter how good...they looking at 2018/2020. You all drink the same cool aid in thinking EVERYTHING the reps do is evil evil evil... I wish the Dems would come to the table, but they will not even though Trump has shown he will work with them if they do.

With the death tax a person will be able to pass up to 5.5 million to their heirs without tax. Everything over that is 40%...how is this bad? How does 5.5 mil represent all those super rich evil republicans?

Also dropping business tax down to 20% to align it with much of the world why is this some hideous evil plan?



posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: EternalShadow

But not one democrat is even voting for this love the rich phony tax cut.

You make what’s simple complicated by distracting from the simple truth. Sure the democrats aren’t perfect, but their still 10 times better than the republicans


No, they aren't. Stealing from earners isn't social justice, it's theft.



posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

The republicans NEVER offer much good. Only good for the rich and powerful or the defense industry

All they do is stop things that help the poor and MC, and offer bills that protect the rich like this tax cut bill.



posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

All hail big government! All hail the powerful welfare state! Your dream:

"Look, if I had my druthers, the city government would determine every single plot of land, how development would proceed. And there would be very stringent requirements around income levels and rents."



posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 04:00 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

It's sad that Democrats are against tax cuts for their own constituents.

It's amazing that they think everyone who votes for them is poor and downtrodden.



posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: ksiezyc
a reply to: Willtell

All hail big government! All hail the powerful welfare state! Your dream:

"Look, if I had my druthers, the city government would determine every single plot of land, how development would proceed. And there would be very stringent requirements around income levels and rents."


Let's also tax corporations to the Moon so we can watch average Joe's be laid off because I'm jealous of people who make a lot of money.



posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: Throes

Source: nymag.com...

I mean DeBlasio opposes property rights and is a full on socialist so you're pretty much right. This is a more complete quote by him:

"What’s been hardest is the way our legal system is structured to favor private property. I think people all over this city, of every background, would like to have the city government be able to determine which building goes where, how high it will be, who gets to live in it, what the rent will be. I think there’s a socialistic impulse, which I hear every day, in every kind of community, that they would like things to be planned in accordance to their needs. And I would, too. Unfortunately, what stands in the way of that is hundreds of years of history that have elevated property rights and wealth to the point that that’s the reality that calls the tune on a lot of development.

I’ll give you an example. I was down one day on Varick Street, somewhere close to Canal, and there was a big sign out front of a new condo saying, “Units start at $2 million.” And that just drives people stark raving mad in this city, because that kind of development is clearly not for everyday people. It’s almost like it’s being flaunted. Look, if I had my druthers, the city government would determine every single plot of land, how development would proceed. And there would be very stringent requirements around income levels and rents. That’s a world I’d love to see, and I think what we have, in this city at least, are people who would love to have the New Deal back, on one level. They’d love to have a very, very powerful government, including a federal government, involved in directly addressing their day-to-day reality."
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posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 04:05 PM
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Trump's Tax Plan will be Devestating to Seniors and Poor People by cutting almost a trillion and a half dollars out of medicare and medicaid which help poor and old people with medical care.


There are two tax plans I know of. One is the House tax plan HR 1 (115th) just passed by the House of Representatives. The other will be the Senate tax plan which has not been finalized and passed yet.

Where is this Trump tax plan?

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: Throes

Although I'm of the opinion that super high taxes are unconstitutional.



posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
Trump lied and tricked the middle class whites in the rust belt that got him elected, and now people are seeing him for what he really is.

He’s out for himself!


This tax bill will cut taxes on businesses and cut inheritance taxes, two items that will directly save Trump billions of dollars.


Everything he’s doing is hurting working people: Obamacare first and now this.





Obamacare had to go. I watched monthly premiums go from $200-$300 a month for a family to $600-$800 a month (Texas). All to subsidize the “uninsured”....



posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 05:31 PM
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I see your link from B.S. media.
a reply to: CB328



posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 05:48 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: CB328

If CNN says it, first consideration is that FAKE news is imbedded in the story, or ACCURATE facts are omitted from the story.

Case in Point: Medicare/Medicaid do not have a $1.5 TRILLION budget.

I stopped reading your post, the moment I saw that lie. Plus, sending click-dollars to CNN by reading their online stories is against my religion.

Have a nice day.



It's 1.5 trillion over 10 years. Look I've worked on Medicaid billing their is a lot of fraud and overcharging going on.

Here is what people do not get, medical prices have been going up 7-8 percent every year. That is completely unsustainable. In just 10 years at that rate all tax dollars will be needed just to cover medical costs. It cannot and will not happen. So these cuts are completely moot, the money would not exist to pay for it anyway without drastic changes.

I am pissed at the republicans and trump for not talking about medical costs they alone will bankrupt us. Trying to pretend insurance is the issue when they are only skimming a few percent off the top is total dishonesty and is going to lead to our medical system imploding.

If nobody will even discuss the real problem it is impossible to solve it.



posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 05:52 PM
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a reply to: CB328

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

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posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 06:38 PM
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The problem is that insurance is not about a few percent off the top. Insurance invites cost increases and fraud by its very nature.

Every industry, every business, is looking to maximize profits. That means a balance between cost and quantity of sales. If someone is making a toaster, they want to price it so they make the highest possible profit. The lower the price, the more people will be able and willing to buy it. Too low and the profit per piece means they won't make as much; too high and the sales drop so they don't make as much.

When insurance is paying the bill, that cost is hidden from the consumer. Who cares if something cost three times as much as it should, if someone else is footing the bill? Sure, the extra cost is passed on to the consumer by the insurance companies, but most people don't think about that in the heat of the moment. Even if they do,there is the consideration that their one purchase spread out across so many policyholders won't make much difference, or the idea that the insurance companies have plenty of money, so why not?

The result is that insurance shifts the supply and demand equation by isolating the cost from the consumer. Thus, the medical profession can charge more,making more profit per patient, without losing business. That's not an economic theory; it is a fact,backed up by the fact that every single industry that has become insured has had major price increases. That includes auto body repair, auto mechanics, auto parts, pet care, and more recently appliance repair prices are starting to rise in response to homeowners maintenance insurance.

Medical care is even more susceptible, because the consequences for choosing not to purchase are so high: serious pain, permanent injury, or even death. If a doctor wants a test run, the patient who is insured will almost always agree... someone else is paying for it, and the test might help the doctor treat them. It doesn't matter if he wants a brain scan to go along with a broken leg... the doctor is assumed the expert. The doctor gets the advantage of better legal defense if there is a malpractice suit, at no cost to him, at no immediate cost to the patient, and the whole industry pays.

And of course, as long as the patient trusts the doctor, the patient will agree to almost anything claimed to help them. Combine that with the fact that an insurer, while very concerned with fraud, has the ability to cover a certain amount of fraud by premium increases,and fraud detection is expensive itself... it can actually be cheaper to ignore a certain level of fraud.

So while you're right that the real issue is cost increases, that does not mean the real issue is not insurance.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 19 2017 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: CB328

Why are we paying poor people to not work instead of creating more jobs and teaching people to be self sufficient? I think this is the goal of this administration. Welfare has grown so big that a ridiculous amount of people who should not even be on it are now dependent on it. It should never have gotten to this point to begin with. The money taken out of medicaid is money that would be going to those who should not be on it anyways. The democrats are the ones who opened welfare to anyone who could fill out the paperwork, and for those who couldn't fill out the paperwork, they were assigned a gov paid agent to do so for them.


Maybe we should pay the old people to work too. 90 year olds can work on our missing infrastructure projects...



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