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The Senate Tax Cut Is Actually A Tax Increase.

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posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 10:05 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t




I shouldn't have to keep telling you that I'm not a Democrat for you to drop that line of reasoning.

Your constant attack of the right ,defense of the left, and silence on the democrats wrong doings is the reasoning behind that line of reasoning.




posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: interupt42

And here is the thread title:

The Senate Tax Cut Is Actually A Tax Increase.

I don't see the name Krazysh0t in there, do you? If you want to discuss my personal politics with me, then send me a U2U and I'll set you straight (if I feel like it and you aren't being an ass at the time), but I'm not the subject matter. If you've seen throughout the thread, I'll engage you if it is about the thread topic, but I have no interest in hearing about your dumb assumptions about me.
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posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t




I don't see the name Krazysh0t in there, do you?


No but I see you blaming the Right like they are the first and only party to BS the people just 3 post in.



posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: interupt42

Because the right wrote the damn bill and are trying to pass it using reconciliation so as to avoid Democrat votes. How is it NOT the right's fault? This is NOT a thread about tax history in America. It is a thread about the tax bill the Republican led House just passed. So I'm discussing that. Clearly you have a problem staying on topic.

Now. If you want to talk to me like an actual person and not a caricature you made up in your head, I'll be happy to listen. But until then save it. I don't care what you think about me; nor do I have any interest in defending my political beliefs to some nobody on the internet.
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posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: interupt42
There are also lots of hidden money being thrown around. It cost over half a billion to run for POTUS .


That's because advertisements are expensive. It's not hidden money being thrown around, it's filing fees to run, and the cost of advertisements



Eitherwise you are expecting a person with conflict of interest to help you at the expense of hurting themselves. Its not going to happen and hasn't happened. We are in an endless cycle where the DNC,GOP, and the MSM has the public focused on the symptoms and the real issue of conflict of interest.


If I could, I would rewrite the constitution. I'm pretty much convinced we got it wrong, and it's issues too deep to fix through amendments.

But, until there's another country to go fight for and reform, it's the best we're going to get... and there are improvements that can be made.



posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
I feel that income taxes are completely against the constitution.

Just being required to submit a 1099 or any other tax form is a direct violation of your 5th amendment right in regards to self-incriminating evidence.


I think this whole tax reform is just to keep the people thinking that their income tax taken by the government is required and necessary.

Hell, all our taxes do is pay the interest we owe to the Fed reserve bank.


That is a really weird interpretation. That said, constitutional or not, income taxes are the best form of taxation we currently have.


Check out the movie "Freedom to Fascism" on youtube. It really explains how the income tax is one of the best illusions the government ever pulled on the people.

It all comes down to a supreme court case where the court's rules that no new taxes were ratified and that taxes were reaffirmed to only be allowed on "profits or gains"

And the court's rules that profits and gains do not apply to income tax because income is an even exchange of goods. You give up some of your life for money. Therefore no profit or gain is being made.

But the US government needed to start paying the Fed at this time so they moves forward with their illegal scheme.



posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: Painterz


Due to elimination of deductions, my personal taxes will increase.

But..

1. The corporate tax cut will increase the number of jobs by luring companies to the USA.

2. The liberal MSM and Selfish Democrats hate the plan.

3. ObamaCare Invidual Mandate blackmailing tool will be repealed.

Combined, the above three items make the Senate plan A WINNER in my book. Something worth personally sacrificing for.

-cwm



posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 10:21 AM
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How is it NOT the right's fault?


I never said it wasn't or dismissed the right from being guilty.

However, unlike you I don't ONLY focus on the RIGHT or one side as the boogey man. The fact is that the left also has a part on the royal F up tax system we have .

The left in the past had the power to make a difference and they didn't via inaction or other means. They have allowed the rich to keep getting richer , while the poor and middleclass continued to take the burden to pick up the slack.

The DNC and GOP take turns playing good cop bad cop in order to get what the lobbyist want passed.
This failure of a tax plan is no different than how it played out with obamacare.

The right for 8 years demonized obamacare for the last decade and when it came time to make a difference what did they do, jack Sh1t. Why because lobbyist designed it and are benefiting from it.

Next time the left gets control what will they do, jack Sh1t just like they have done in the past.


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posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan



That's because advertisements are expensive. It's not hidden money being thrown around, it's filing fees to run, and the cost of advertisements

Agreed, but that was not the money I was talking about. The hidden money are in the form of kickbacks such as getting million in speaking fees by companies you were rather friendly too while in office.






and there are improvements that can be made.


absolutely, but thats the issue. The political cheerleaders are to busy pointing the finger and stomping on their chest to focus on what improvements must be made before even attempting to fix the issues such as taxes and healthcare.

They need to stop blaming the OTHER side and taking joy when they OTHER side fails , and temporarily come together to take on the Lobbyist that have hijacked the gov't from both parties.






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posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 10:38 AM
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We can cut taxes further,we can do away with the federal government,each state become soverign,that would save billions,and the way Obama increased deficit,did you think all those liabilitys go away when he does?all this free crap has to be paid for,only one that wins is the Federal Reserve,they can't lose



posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 10:55 AM
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a reply to: tadaman

Lol...

You think the republicans care about the individual people..


Oh man that’s funny..

Their massive majority of their donations come from the very companies they are giving the tax break to, not the employees working the line...



posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: Painterz

Not arguing if tax rates are going up or down but you can't accurately say that they are going up by looking at net tax raised.



posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 11:55 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

This tax plan has been tried before and failed. So why would it succeed now?



posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 11:57 AM
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originally posted by: mikell
But can I keep my Doctor??

Happy Friday



Aren't you forgetting Trumps lie about how it will hurt him and is a tax plan for the people.



posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: Painterz

Not to worry, no tax bill will ever get passed out of the Senate.



posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 01:29 PM
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See. That's a weak cop out. You say they've done nothing but have no examples. I gave you an example in the past where the Democrats had control and you and I both know they didn't have the time on their plate to do anything else. Because a ton of Democratic Congressmen sacrificed their jobs on passing the ACA (but you know, they hate us and all right?).

Here's the deal. Democrats are known for increasing taxes. Heck, that's what the ACA did and it wasn't even supposed to be a tax bill. So riddle me this, Batman. What do you think a Democrat tax bill would look like? I'll tell you. It would be some sort of tax increase, with the majority hitting the rich. Would you approve of a Democrat approved tax overhaul?



posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 01:55 PM
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I gave you an example in the past where the Democrats had control and you and I both know they didn't have the time on their plate to do anything else


No you gave me an excuse. There efforts consisted of robosigning a bill designed and drafted by the healthcare insurance lobbyist.




I'll tell you. It would be some sort of tax increase, with the majority hitting the rich.

Agreed, where is that bill ? Like I said the democrats have had opportunities to create such a bill, yet they did nothing. They have failed to provide a solution for the non top .01% just like the republicans have.




Would you approve of a Democrat approved tax overhaul?

yes and no, its about timing.

It would be stupid to give more power and money to a bunch of crooks in DC to manage. Lets clean up congress first then lets talk about taxes and fixing the other issues such as healtcare.

I don't disagree with many of the Democrat ideas nor I'm I against socialism for certain issues. However, the timing couldn't be worse. Our gov't is so out of control with conflict of interest that giving them more money or power is the absolute worst thing we could do.

The best thing we can do right now is for the political cheerleaders to put their political ideals to the side for a temporary period and join forces to minimize conflict of interest in DC,
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posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 01:57 PM
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LoL

You still make a distinction between Republicans and Democrats.

You must hang on every non issue-talking point they keep people running around in circles over.

Tell me wise one, do Democrats shy away from big donations from special interest groups and lobyists?

Do corporations not donate to all parties?

What do you guys figure of the new libertarians that elected Trump and are set to vote in increasing numbers in the future?

Do you keep pushing left VS right identity politics?

Are you an old person?


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posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: Oldtimer2
a reply to: Aazadan

We can cut taxes further,we can do away with the federal government,each state become soverign,that would save billions,and the way Obama increased deficit,did you think all those liabilitys go away when he does?all this free crap has to be paid for,only one that wins is the Federal Reserve,they can't lose


How does doing away with the federal government save money? All that does is move what you're paying for from federal to state taxes. The money still gets spent.

Aside from that, all you're spouting is seccesionist rhetoric that says you want to see the USA destroyed.
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posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Aazadan

Yeah. Let's tax the next generation's schooling. You know the generation that typically has no money? That sounds like a grand slam idea!


Uh, considering you support a socialized medicine system that effectively forces the "next generation" to purchase insurance plans they don't presently need because their money is needed to subsidize the older generation's bills, me thinks your argument here is borne of BS.




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