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however the entire point I'm trying to make in this thread is that sense of self is something that naturally arises after gaining a high enough level understanding of the world we exist in
I think self awareness is a byproduct of intelligence. Just as intelligence can sense a reality around it and start predicting what it will be the next moment to survive, it also senses itself eventually.
OP, I'm not sure your wireframe example was the best example for context. Personally, I think the 4-digit number still looks like a 4-digit number, even if it's in a 3d wireframe.
Sentience comes from feeling, not from understanding, and certainly not from computing.
Are we talking about emotional feeling or physical senses, did he feel an emotion or did he feel a physical object with his hand?
I was simply arguing, sentience cannot exist, unless you have a sense of your own presence, and in order to "sense" your presence, you must have the capacity to "feel" (in a way that leads to conscious awareness of the self, and then the wider world)