Al Franken......WHOOPS....Next to go....

a reply to: MotherMayEye

If he was interested in her breasts he would be looking at them. But he's aping for the camera. A joke.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MotherMayEye

The most reasonable person is the woman who was photographed. Because her opinion is all that matters. She was working with Franken and he crossed a line....while she was sleeping.

My advice is that no one tries anything like this with a coworker...unless you want to be fired or sued.

I agree he crossed a professional line. What he did was stupid, ugly, and disrespectful. What it isn't, however, is an example of groping and breast grabbing, as claimed by this reasonable person.

But that's your opinion. I do believe his fingers are grazing her chest.

Through an inch thick steel plated vest designed to stop high velocity shrapnel and bullets? Sure.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MotherMayEye

The most reasonable person is the woman who was photographed. Because her opinion is all that matters. She was working with Franken and he crossed a line....while she was sleeping.

My advice is that no one tries anything like this with a coworker...unless you want to be fired or sued.

I agree he crossed a professional line. What he did was stupid, ugly, and disrespectful. What it isn't, however, is an example of groping and breast grabbing, as claimed by this reasonable person.

But that's your opinion. I do believe his fingers are grazing her chest.

Through an inch thick steel plated vest designed to stop high velocity shrapnel and bullets? Sure.

Why is what she is wearing even remotely relevant.

God this is a dumb argument.

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: MotherMayEye

If he was interested in her breasts he would be looking at them. But he's aping for the camera. A joke.

Stomp that reasonable thinking out of your brain.

It is sooo 2016!!!

Feel your thoughts, thinking is for old folks.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: soberbacchus
I am not condoning his behavior, but being real and honest about what we see matters.

I see a man that thought he was so cute and funny by exploiting a pretty woman who probably rejected him, like she claims. He showed her and soothed his bruised ego.

I am thinking she deserves the benefit of the doubt, not him. If not for that photo...I would probably give it to him.

On passage two..benefit of the doubt for what? She is not claiming some broad accusation. I believe what she claimed.

So you think it is ok for Franken to forcibly stick his tongue down her throat? Interesting.

Please quote where I said that?

Inventing BS from you?

Not interesting, rather usual.

Simple really.
You said you believed her.
She said Franken stuck his tongue down her throat without asking.

In other words you believe Franken sexually molested her, yet here you are down playing it.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

But that's your opinion. I do believe his fingers are grazing her chest.

If I weigh the evidence...a picture of his smirking mug over her with his hands over her breasts....I think it is MOST reasonable to assume he was touching her chest in the picture and if not...before or after it was taken.

He set himself up for that.

That's not my opinion. That's what the picture shows. By definition, he is neither groping nor grabbing anything as she claimed. Whether he did it before or after is not in any accusation, and I cannot bring myself to accuse someone of imaginary sexual assault.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: soberbacchus

Holy Jeezus. How the eff can he be the most reasonable person on this thread???

Because I always am.

The most reasonable person is the woman who was photographed. Because her opinion is all that matters. She was working with Franken and he crossed a line....while she was sleeping.

My advice is that no one tries anything like this with a coworker...unless you want to be fired or sued.

Crossed a line? Hell yes.
Worthy of consequence, professional or otherwise? Sure.

Groping and Sexual assault and/or Rape?
NONE of the above.

Bad, perhaps bitter, perhaps edgy, definitely stupid, humor. Let the consequences come, but let them come for what it is.

Sexual harassment. That is exactly what it is and that is all I am saying.

I hope the Senate will find that sexual harassers have no place in Congress. I hope Franken will voluntarily resign and not waste resources trying to defend it.

(But I do happen to think he is touching her chest in the pic. I would probably assume he touched me, too, if I was this woman.)

a reply to: intrepid

Oh, do you look at the women's breasts you are photographed *groping* while they sleep?

a reply to: intrepid

If he was interested in her breasts he would be looking at them. But he's aping for the camera. A joke.

By her own admission, he got a kick out of razzing her, drawing devil horns on her picture for instance, or what she calls "petty insults".

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MotherMayEye

The most reasonable person is the woman who was photographed. Because her opinion is all that matters. She was working with Franken and he crossed a line....while she was sleeping.

My advice is that no one tries anything like this with a coworker...unless you want to be fired or sued.

I agree he crossed a professional line. What he did was stupid, ugly, and disrespectful. What it isn't, however, is an example of groping and breast grabbing, as claimed by this reasonable person.

But that's your opinion. I do believe his fingers are grazing her chest.

Through an inch thick steel plated vest designed to stop high velocity shrapnel and bullets? Sure.

Why is what she is wearing even remotely relevant.

God this is a dumb argument.

Yes it is a dumb argument.

Typically when human beings seek sexual excitement through physical contact, a thick steel plate and lesser density things like walls and the exterior of the chopper this woman was flying in interfere with the actual "contact" and intended sexual "contact".

So does touching the exterior of steel plate or surface that might or might not have some body part on the other side qualify as groping?

Shall we run an experiment to see how much sensation to breast or pinky finger tip might be able to be sensed through a steel plate?

YES..a dumb effen conversation.

It is a gag photo in bad taste.

It is NOT groping unless the Steel plate wants to file suit.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MotherMayEye

But that's your opinion. I do believe his fingers are grazing her chest.

If I weigh the evidence...a picture of his smirking mug over her with his hands over her breasts....I think it is MOST reasonable to assume he was touching her chest in the picture and if not...before or after it was taken.

He set himself up for that.

That's not my opinion. That's what the picture shows. By definition, he is neither groping nor grabbing anything as she claimed. Whether he did it before or after is not in any accusation, and I cannot bring myself to accuse someone of imaginary sexual assault.

I have not said anything about him sexually assaulting her. I think he wanted to be photographed appearing to grope her breasts and did, in fact, touch her chest to get the pic that made him feel like a super-funny guy.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: intrepid

Oh, do you look at the women's breasts you are photographed *groping* while they sleep?

I respect you MME. I appreciate your contributions.

But WTF does that mean?

Back it up.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MotherMayEye

The most reasonable person is the woman who was photographed. Because her opinion is all that matters. She was working with Franken and he crossed a line....while she was sleeping.

My advice is that no one tries anything like this with a coworker...unless you want to be fired or sued.

I agree he crossed a professional line. What he did was stupid, ugly, and disrespectful. What it isn't, however, is an example of groping and breast grabbing, as claimed by this reasonable person.

But that's your opinion. I do believe his fingers are grazing her chest.

Through an inch thick steel plated vest designed to stop high velocity shrapnel and bullets? Sure.

Why is what she is wearing even remotely relevant.

God this is a dumb argument.

Yes it is a dumb argument.

Typically when human beings seek sexual excitement through physical contact, a thick steel plate and lesser density things like walls and the exterior of the chopper this woman was flying in interfere with the actual "contact" and intended sexual "contact".

So does touching the exterior of steel plate or surface that might or might not have some body part on the other side qualify as groping?

Shall we run an experiment to see how much sensation to breast or pinky finger tip might be able to be sensed through a steel plate?

YES..a dumb effen conversation.

It is a gag photo in bad taste.

It is NOT groping unless the Steel plate wants to file suit.

Was there a steel plate on the inside of her mouth when she said Franken forced his tongue down her throat - or don't you believe her anymore??? Or are you just trying to avoid that part???

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MotherMayEye

The most reasonable person is the woman who was photographed. Because her opinion is all that matters. She was working with Franken and he crossed a line....while she was sleeping.

My advice is that no one tries anything like this with a coworker...unless you want to be fired or sued.

I agree he crossed a professional line. What he did was stupid, ugly, and disrespectful. What it isn't, however, is an example of groping and breast grabbing, as claimed by this reasonable person.

But that's your opinion. I do believe his fingers are grazing her chest.

Through an inch thick steel plated vest designed to stop high velocity shrapnel and bullets? Sure.

Why is what she is wearing even remotely relevant.

God this is a dumb argument.

Yes it is a dumb argument.

Typically when human beings seek sexual excitement through physical contact, a thick steel plate and lesser density things like walls and the exterior of the chopper this woman was flying in interfere with the actual "contact" and intended sexual "contact".

So does touching the exterior of steel plate or surface that might or might not have some body part on the other side qualify as groping?

Shall we run an experiment to see how much sensation to breast or pinky finger tip might be able to be sensed through a steel plate?

YES..a dumb effen conversation.

It is a gag photo in bad taste.

It is NOT groping unless the Steel plate wants to file suit.

Actually sex crimes and sexual harassment are about satisfying a need to feel powerful. Not about sexual gratification.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MotherMayEye

But that's your opinion. I do believe his fingers are grazing her chest.

If I weigh the evidence...a picture of his smirking mug over her with his hands over her breasts....I think it is MOST reasonable to assume he was touching her chest in the picture and if not...before or after it was taken.

He set himself up for that.

That's not my opinion. That's what the picture shows. By definition, he is neither groping nor grabbing anything as she claimed. Whether he did it before or after is not in any accusation, and I cannot bring myself to accuse someone of imaginary sexual assault.

I have not said anything about him sexually assaulting her. I think he wanted to be photographed appearing to grope her breasts and did, in fact, touch her chest to get the pic that made him feel like a super-funny guy.

Yes. He was an ass.
No Sexual Assault.
No groping.

a reply to: soberbacchus

There is no steel plate in there. It is an empty plate carrier. If you've ever worn one before, it definitely doesn't curve around your body when the plate is in. They're pretty uncomfortable especially to sit and sleep with.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MotherMayEye

The most reasonable person is the woman who was photographed. Because her opinion is all that matters. She was working with Franken and he crossed a line....while she was sleeping.

My advice is that no one tries anything like this with a coworker...unless you want to be fired or sued.

I agree he crossed a professional line. What he did was stupid, ugly, and disrespectful. What it isn't, however, is an example of groping and breast grabbing, as claimed by this reasonable person.

But that's your opinion. I do believe his fingers are grazing her chest.

Through an inch thick steel plated vest designed to stop high velocity shrapnel and bullets? Sure.

Why is what she is wearing even remotely relevant.

God this is a dumb argument.

Yes it is a dumb argument.

Typically when human beings seek sexual excitement through physical contact, a thick steel plate and lesser density things like walls and the exterior of the chopper this woman was flying in interfere with the actual "contact" and intended sexual "contact".

So does touching the exterior of steel plate or surface that might or might not have some body part on the other side qualify as groping?

Shall we run an experiment to see how much sensation to breast or pinky finger tip might be able to be sensed through a steel plate?

YES..a dumb effen conversation.

It is a gag photo in bad taste.

It is NOT groping unless the Steel plate wants to file suit.

Actually sex crimes and sexual harassment are about satisfying a need to feel powerful. Not about sexual gratification.

So men or women satisfying themselves to porn can and should be arrested?

Just making a point here to clarify your terms.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: intrepid

Oh, do you look at the women's breasts you are photographed *groping* while they sleep?

I respect you MME. I appreciate your contributions.

But WTF does that mean?

Back it up.

Why do I need to back it up? Interpid suggested that's how it works. Not me. I just figured he had a reason to suggest that.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MotherMayEye

But that's your opinion. I do believe his fingers are grazing her chest.

If I weigh the evidence...a picture of his smirking mug over her with his hands over her breasts....I think it is MOST reasonable to assume he was touching her chest in the picture and if not...before or after it was taken.

He set himself up for that.

That's not my opinion. That's what the picture shows. By definition, he is neither groping nor grabbing anything as she claimed. Whether he did it before or after is not in any accusation, and I cannot bring myself to accuse someone of imaginary sexual assault.

I have not said anything about him sexually assaulting her. I think he wanted to be photographed appearing to grope her breasts and did, in fact, touch her chest to get the pic that made him feel like a super-funny guy.

Yes. He was an ass.
No Sexual Assault.
No groping.

Lol, so sticking your tongue down a woman's throat without permission is not sexual assault? Not quite sure what would actually constitute sexual assault in your mind then

But hey I get it... Democrat and anti-Trumper so it's not a big deal.


Bottom line is that Franken faces an accusation of sexual assault and whether you believe the accusation or not makes no difference to the nature of the accusation.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MotherMayEye

The most reasonable person is the woman who was photographed. Because her opinion is all that matters. She was working with Franken and he crossed a line....while she was sleeping.

My advice is that no one tries anything like this with a coworker...unless you want to be fired or sued.

I agree he crossed a professional line. What he did was stupid, ugly, and disrespectful. What it isn't, however, is an example of groping and breast grabbing, as claimed by this reasonable person.

But that's your opinion. I do believe his fingers are grazing her chest.

Through an inch thick steel plated vest designed to stop high velocity shrapnel and bullets? Sure.

Why is what she is wearing even remotely relevant.

God this is a dumb argument.

Yes it is a dumb argument.

Typically when human beings seek sexual excitement through physical contact, a thick steel plate and lesser density things like walls and the exterior of the chopper this woman was flying in interfere with the actual "contact" and intended sexual "contact".

So does touching the exterior of steel plate or surface that might or might not have some body part on the other side qualify as groping?

Shall we run an experiment to see how much sensation to breast or pinky finger tip might be able to be sensed through a steel plate?

YES..a dumb effen conversation.

It is a gag photo in bad taste.

It is NOT groping unless the Steel plate wants to file suit.

Actually sex crimes and sexual harassment are about satisfying a need to feel powerful. Not about sexual gratification.

So men satisfying themselves to porn can and should be arrested?

Just making a point here to clarify your terms.

No. If adult women want to appear in porn and men want to get off on it...that's not illegal.