Al Franken......WHOOPS....Next to go....

a reply to: seagull

So, that somehow excuses it? Does this sort of behavior suddenly disappear from the record when elected to high office?

No, he wasn't yet a Senator at the time. Oops, my mistake.

Doesn't change anything about the inappropriate behavior, at all.

Would you care to make a wager that that sort of behavior wasn't the first time, or the last?

Making gags and jokes? Well, for a comedian it is quite common.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Why do I feel getting rid of Franken is somehow related to the Republican tax bill now that Menendez got a mistrial.

Some serious hardball politics going on right now.

a reply to: JBurns


oh lord - from his how mouth and many women. he BRAGGED about it.

Or is it the general feeling of so many people confronting their abusers?

a reply to: dashen

That would be my guess.

If he wasn't a senator now(which puzzles me) we wouldn't even be talking about this. It was an attempt at humor. You know his first job?

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

Looks like Al may be the next politician in line for leaving politics...

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Ummm...good...it couldn't happen to a finer fella...

Shows that if your an unfunny washed up comedian...you too can be a senator...

Bu...bye...Al don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya...

YouSir

What do you mean bye bye?

Do you actually believe that the democrats will treat him the same way they treat Republicans that do this and demand he resign?

Hahahahahaha!!!

As with all optics, this one is very hard to deny and or explain away without putting oneself in the spotlight.

It'll get the attention.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: soberbacchus


No.

Nice deflection, but you know exactly what I mean. I won't get hung up on semantics.

My post included zero deflection.

Your argument is fully premised in a binary fallacy of an action being either OK or not OK.
In that fallacy a traffic violation and homicide are legally equal.

It is not my fault your reasoning is something a toddler would recognize as fail.

a reply to: dashen

She said she did not do it earlier because she was afraid it would ruin her modeling career.

As much as I like Al Franken and his views, forcing his tongue down her throat was a little too much. Maybe he should resign. Sorry doesn't seem like enough. Sex with a woman at any time should be voluntary on the woman's part without exception.

As usual, it sucks to be Democrat.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: seagull

So, that somehow excuses it? Does this sort of behavior suddenly disappear from the record when elected to high office?

No, he wasn't yet a Senator at the time. Oops, my mistake.

Doesn't change anything about the inappropriate behavior, at all.

Would you care to make a wager that that sort of behavior wasn't the first time, or the last?

Making gags and jokes? Well, for a comedian it is quite common.

I think a lot of people recognize this was possibly related to his job at the time. That does not change anything in this case. There is no way we can interject 'humor' into this situation and make it go away. That would distort the defined lines of what is acceptable and what isn't. We need to start getting to black and white for all contact between humans. That is where this scenario ultimately leads.

originally posted by: seagull
Joking or not, it's completely inappropriate behavior from a sitting US senator. It would also be inappropriate from a would-be US President.

??

He was neither at the time, but a Comedian on tour.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: butcherguy

Your link is broken...

I can't seem to fix it. I added another.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
It looks like he was kidding around, to me.

Well the woman in the picture says in the Hill article linked in the OP that he forced his tongue down her throat.

Big deal.

Yes, it is a big deal if you are a person who has been screaming about how actions like that are sexual assualt and must be taken seriously.

I am confused. Are you equating a gag photo taken in poor taste to attempting to rape a 14 year old girl in your car (Roy Moore)?

Or drugging women and then raping them like Cosby? Or Weinstein forcing himself on dozens of women?

Just to be clear, it is all the same thing to you? If so that is a little frightening. Raping women is not jest.

Wow.

I dont recall saying that.

In fact I think I said on this very thread that Moores accussers had far more serious allegations, more on par with menedenez's that no one wants to talk about.

But allow me to turn it on you.

So its just a gag photo, nevermind the allegations he point is tongue in her mouth against her will.

Wow.

Funny how people are bending over backwords to ignore that.

originally posted by: ClovenSky

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: seagull

So, that somehow excuses it? Does this sort of behavior suddenly disappear from the record when elected to high office?

No, he wasn't yet a Senator at the time. Oops, my mistake.

Doesn't change anything about the inappropriate behavior, at all.

Would you care to make a wager that that sort of behavior wasn't the first time, or the last?

Making gags and jokes? Well, for a comedian it is quite common.

I think a lot of people recognize this was possibly related to his job at the time. That does not change anything in this case. There is no way we can interject 'humor' into this situation and make it go away. That would distort the defined lines of what is acceptable and what isn't. We need to start getting to black and white for all contact between humans. That is where this scenario ultimately leads.

When joking about sexual assault is construed as sexual assault, all is lost. Time to break out the consent forms.

originally posted by: Winterpain
From the picture, I wasn't sure this wasn't a stagged photo-opp.
But after reading the article, no... sounds like she was really asleep... and is pissed about the situation. It also sounds like he also stuck his tongue down her throat against her will...

If the allegations are true, I don't see a way out for him.

~Winter

It does look like forced perspective though.
Like his hands are not touching her but appear like they are from the camera angle.
We will just have to see what people say after that pic is passed around the country for a few weeks.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: seagull

So, that somehow excuses it? Does this sort of behavior suddenly disappear from the record when elected to high office?

No, he wasn't yet a Senator at the time. Oops, my mistake.

Doesn't change anything about the inappropriate behavior, at all.

Would you care to make a wager that that sort of behavior wasn't the first time, or the last?

Making gags and jokes? Well, for a comedian it is quite common.

The same sort of behavior seems to be common for Hollywood producers, directors, actors and politicians.
Free passes abound.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: ClovenSky

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: seagull

So, that somehow excuses it? Does this sort of behavior suddenly disappear from the record when elected to high office?

No, he wasn't yet a Senator at the time. Oops, my mistake.

Doesn't change anything about the inappropriate behavior, at all.

Would you care to make a wager that that sort of behavior wasn't the first time, or the last?

Making gags and jokes? Well, for a comedian it is quite common.

I think a lot of people recognize this was possibly related to his job at the time. That does not change anything in this case. There is no way we can interject 'humor' into this situation and make it go away. That would distort the defined lines of what is acceptable and what isn't. We need to start getting to black and white for all contact between humans. That is where this scenario ultimately leads.

When joking about sexual assault is construed as sexual assault, all is lost. Time to break out the consent forms.

Yup. Have you heard Carlin's rape jokes?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: ClovenSky

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: seagull

So, that somehow excuses it? Does this sort of behavior suddenly disappear from the record when elected to high office?

No, he wasn't yet a Senator at the time. Oops, my mistake.

Doesn't change anything about the inappropriate behavior, at all.

Would you care to make a wager that that sort of behavior wasn't the first time, or the last?

Making gags and jokes? Well, for a comedian it is quite common.

I think a lot of people recognize this was possibly related to his job at the time. That does not change anything in this case. There is no way we can interject 'humor' into this situation and make it go away. That would distort the defined lines of what is acceptable and what isn't. We need to start getting to black and white for all contact between humans. That is where this scenario ultimately leads.

When joking about sexual assault is construed as sexual assault, all is lost. Time to break out the consent forms.

Why do you keep ignoring the part about him forcing his tongue in her mouth?

Is that a joke too?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: ClovenSky

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: seagull

So, that somehow excuses it? Does this sort of behavior suddenly disappear from the record when elected to high office?

No, he wasn't yet a Senator at the time. Oops, my mistake.

Doesn't change anything about the inappropriate behavior, at all.

Would you care to make a wager that that sort of behavior wasn't the first time, or the last?

Making gags and jokes? Well, for a comedian it is quite common.

I think a lot of people recognize this was possibly related to his job at the time. That does not change anything in this case. There is no way we can interject 'humor' into this situation and make it go away. That would distort the defined lines of what is acceptable and what isn't. We need to start getting to black and white for all contact between humans. That is where this scenario ultimately leads.

When joking about sexual assault is construed as sexual assault, all is lost. Time to break out the consent forms.

Exactly. But until we go down that road, this will never get better. I think we will need to hit rock bottom before things will start coming back to normality. We need to take this to and encourage the only logical outcome there is.

Seems he's getting into some hot water over some things from 1995 that he apologized for then wrote in his book that he only apologized to get votes for his political campaign....sweet guy. Sounds more like it's someone who'd say anything to get off the hook...especially right now!

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“'I give the pills to Lesley Stahl. Then when Lesley is passed out, I take her to the closet and rape her.' Or ‘That’s why you never see Lesley until February.' Or, ‘When she passes out. I put her in various positions and take pictures of her,’” Franken was quoted saying.

The article, along with a 2000 Playboy column in which Franken talked about fantasizing a machine would perform oral sex on him, was used to attack Franken during his 2008 Senate campaign in Minnesota. Republican women also gathered to demand Franken explain himself, according to the Pioneer Press.

Franken eventually apologized for his crude remarks, but he later wrote in his book, “Al Franken: Giant of the Senate,” that he faked the apology to get the necessary support for his election win, according to the New York Times. 

“To say I was sorry for writing a joke was to sell out my career, to sell out who I’d been my entire life,” he wrote in the book. “And I wasn’t sorry that I had written Porn-o-Rama or pitched that stupid Lesley Stahl joke at 2 in the morning. I was just doing my job.”

If she was so offended...

Why are we only just hearing about it 10+ years later?