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Double standards on the left

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posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 09:31 PM
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Damn, tldr. Anyhoo, after skimming, you're all over the place. You really seem to want to fit things into nice little boxes - left/right, clinton/trump, uranium1/russia, etc, etc. How about we use reason to dictate the issues here. Moore has numerous accusers claiming he targeted underage girls and quite possible sexually molested at least one. Yeah, that's bad. If we stick to the standards, that's sufficient to run him into early retirement, just like spacey, weinstein, etc, etc. Franken is an idiot. I'm sure he thought he was trying to be funny - but at the very least he heavily degraded someone and probably doesn't deserve to continue his senate service. I personally, despite being a "liberal", have never really been terribly impressed by the guy and would not be all that sad to see him go. Then we have Trump - we have what might be the audio equivalent of the Franken photograph and not one, but at least 12 accusations of sexual misconduct towards women - yet he's in the whitehouse!!! How TF is that even remotely right in this environment?!?! Wow, talk about hypocrisy. And then don't get me started on uranium one vs russia-gate - if u1 is such a big deal, why aren't there multiple investigations into it? As I've said before, is the right really that weak that we only investigate russia-gate and leave something as "large" as u1 to flutter in the wind?

So, hypocrisy? Yeah sure, there's plenty to go around. It's DC. Hypocrisy grows like weeds there. But let's use a little logic and reason to understand what's really going on. If we come at this from a human decency point of view, the sh!t rises to the top.




posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 09:36 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

Well that’s kinda what he is accused of lol..

Doing something that wasn’t necessarily illegal, but obviously morally shady...


Also I wonder how common the 16-32 age range was???

I tried to find stats and was unsuccessful.. however I only looked for 10 min lol..



posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Well that’s kinda what he is accused of lol..

Doing something that wasn’t necessarily illegal, but obviously morally shady...


Also I wonder how common the 16-32 age range was???

I tried to find stats and was unsuccessful.. however I only looked for 10 min lol..


Considering that some of the mothers gave Moore their blessing to date their 16-18 year old, it wasn't uncommon enough to warrant a scandal.



posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 10:34 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

Well it wasn’t exactly public knowledge either..

It was a time when you could get away with WAY more.. today with social media....that’s done..



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 01:22 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: JIMC5499

Not really.

Lets break it down. If you think that you can be a lefty and a rich and powerful person, well, sorry bub, you cannot. You can SAY that you are, but you aren't.



I get what you are saying. So anyone who identifies as or runs under the premise of liberalism yet clearly is not is the equivalent of a RINO.

What should be the acronym for Liberals in Name Only? LINO?




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posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 08:21 AM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: proteus33

And again, the Clintons are NOT lefties. They are corporatists, capitalists, of the worst sort too. You only have to look at their record to understand this. At every turn, they did what made them the most money. A lefty would call that selfish and unreasonable, inhuman, and wrong.

Greed is not a trait to be found amongst left wingers, because lefties, proper lefties, rarely give much of a stuff about themselves, when compared to how much they care about other people. If theres a way for a lefty to help someone who is suffering, they will do it. If a lefty finds themselves with an excess of cash, they do not spend it on sports cars, or expensive houses in the Hamptons. They spend it on feeding the poor, healing the sick, getting to grips with social problems. Maybe they donate to a local youth centre, maybe they start an apprenticeship program for disadvantaged youth, or an education program for kids with high IQs and parents with low wages, or a grant fund that sees similarly talented but disadvantaged children all the way from early education, all the way through college, to make sure that the nation they are living in is making the best use of its intellectual resources.

But they do not sit and hoard money, nor do they purchase power. The tendency to purchase power, to accrue enormous wealth, is not something that can be properly said to be a trait held by lefties. If you see someone doing that, you can largely ignore what they say about what they believe, because their ACTIONS prove their real alignment.

Dodging taxes, sitting on vast fortunes and keeping them to themselves largely speaking, living an opulent life, a lavish existence, these are not things which interest people with genuine left wing beliefs. Lefties also believe in protecting those who have been preyed upon by either the state, or other predatory groups and individuals. Its pretty clear to me, that Hillary Clinton, does not believe in that principle, because she took a job defending child rapists and other filth, from the just application of justice, bragging on tape that she had gotten some scumbag off on a technicality, laughing about it, despite the fact that her client destroyed a persons innocence in the most invasive and disgusting manner possible.

No lefty would take that kind of work, if it meant being forced to defend that sort of person, and they certainly would not brag about what a "good" job they had done of it either.

But she did those things. Ergo, she is not a lefty, regardless of what her public statements might have you believe. Her actions give her away as anything but a lefty, as does her bank balance, as does the lavish life she has lived since birth, without any significant effort to pay the advantages with which she was born forward.



She identifies as one. So we must respect her wishes and view her as such, along with Maxine Waters, Soros, and so on.

I guess the meaning of the term "lefty" has changed. Or you lot are being taken for fools.


Both are bad but we can possibly help the fools. The others are appearing to ready for an assault on freedom and foolish people will be the victims too.



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: Outlier13

Absolutely.

If you believe in leftist principles you damned well live by them.



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 08:50 AM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454

I called for the proper treatment of people who walk under the Nazi banner. Grambler has a comprehension problem, and an inability to understand either nuance or context, either an inability, or no desire in that regard.



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

So you won't mind if I repost your exact words here?

That all trump supporters are supporting a racist, and that they all need to be fought?

And that many need to die.

And that if trumps support gets to hi, that means the violence against them needs to increase, and it could get to the point we need to kill them all.

You said all of this.

Or are you now denying that?



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 11:46 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

You would take Russian collusion seriously because you just might love this country. It seems to me that the right and yourself included have turned a very serious issue into a game of tit for tat. One of our greatest nemesis in history hacked into the RNC and the DNC, hacked into state elections systems, stole emails from the highest levels within our government and released them through their proxy, Wikileaks. While you being a dyed in the wool right winger may be happy that Hillary and the rest were exposed for various things, next time the Russians might favor the left winger or the democrat. Then at that point where will your ass be in your calculations? The fact is if we let this slide, if we potentially let Russia filter our president so Russia can get the foreign policy they want, where does it end? Do we still have a democracy even if the Russian influence is hard to pin point? Seems like a good situation when short term political calculations seal off people from really being patriotic as opposed to partisan.

It saddens me because base calculations like yours are abound and right wingers predictably will react by saying this is a left wing media conspiracy, or at best say:" the liberals do it!". Why do I say this? Because that is a constant dialog int he right wing world, that any undesirable news is just "fake news", in fact fake news is the final evolution of this sickness.

Why yes, the liberals do it, but then again it is not everyday that our most sacred process has been violated so tremendously. For example, the difference between uranium one and what happened during the election are apples and oranges. For Christ's Russia hacking deep into our political system and half of America is like, whatever....



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 07:13 AM
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a reply to: Grambler




That all trump supporters are supporting a racist, and that they all need to be fought?


Nazi banner, your response lacks context again. Which is why your own reply illustrates the double standart you tend to ignore.

Projecting your own lack of decency or intellectual honesty on others, that's what you do. All the time. I usually like trolls if they are intelligent, funny and thought-provoking though. Pipe the fck up?
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posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 07:15 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Go ahead and quote my whole post, rather than posting spin.




posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 07:27 AM
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originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: Grambler

Double standards is a euphemism, it suggests there are valid standards to begin with.

Call it what it is...

Hypocrisy.



Everyone has value standards, but not everyone holds themselves to the same standards they hold everyone else to.



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 07:28 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Who even uses exact quotes nowadays? Libtard berserks like you?

The spin has to be spun and there are ATS morons to be swayed. Can't you see the importance of that mission in order to further devide & conquer the masses?
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posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 07:30 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

On your first count, it doesn't matter.

The point is that many of the mainstream left constantly refuse to openly admit that Hillary stole the primary enabling to be in that position at all, but they will endlessly accuse Trump of stealing the general election. I have yet to see any mainstream leftist (or Hillary for that matter) admit that reason openly. They have never openly admitted that Hillary herself was the reason for her loss for any reason. It's always someone or something else's fault.



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 07:34 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Sorry, that's a lie, but it is an easy excuse for you to never have to admit that leftist policies will always fail.

The simple truth is that in order to impose leftist policies on a population as a whole, since they are violent, redistributive policies that depend on taking from people who have, even simply more than you think they should, to give to those who do not have by a power or authority placed above or beyond the people, there will always be a power upper class that has to have the power to take and give, and that class will always accrue both power and wealth to itself as function of the corruption that always accompanies such jobs in society.

However, socialist kleptocracies are not capitalist in any sense since no one has any security in their own persons or properties which is the basis upon which a capitalist society is built.



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 07:40 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Yes, I believe you, and my husband and I were almost on the streets too, but we have since worked our way up in the world.

We still have a different take on the world than you do, but you think because we voted for Trump over Hillary we should probably be taken out and shot.

Even though we do have a pretty good understanding of what it's like to not know if you'll have a roof over your head from day to day or if you'll eat and what ...



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 07:41 AM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: Grambler

i can't wait to see your thread on the double standards of the 'right' on the same topics..


He doesn't need to. Part of the left's moral superiority claim is endless thread that point it out.

See Kettu's thread on how preaching family values in Red States doesn't work but you blue state folks are supposedly so morally superior there too.



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 07:43 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

You might be surprised by the scientific community that isn't chained to academia. Did you bother to survey the ones who work in the private sector for a living? Many of them have lots of impressive letters after their names too.



posted on Nov, 21 2017 @ 07:43 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko




Sorry, that's a lie, but it is an easy excuse for you to never have to admit that leftist policies will always fail.


How is social democracy a failure and not a success story?



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