House Dems introduce impeachment articles against Trump

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: face23785

They hate trump. Only his very slim base is still supporting him. We can see all his "friends" who voted for his healthcare bill.



PS last Tuesdays election across the nation throws some doubt into your theory...

People who aren't big fans of Trump but are apolitical or moderate aren't gonna be driven to vote Democrat by this childish nonsense. It may be a nice security blanket for you, but for most of the country it's a turn off. They'll stay home or they may even go vote for him just to keep the crybabies out of office. That's why Trump won in the first place. Whiners like you and these idiots introducing these fake impeachment articles will have the same effect on the midterms. Your religious anti-Trump beliefs won't allow you to see that though. I realize this and I realize you're heavily emotionally invested in the fairy tales, so I'm not gonna bother trying to talk any further sense to you. Get a baseless reply in so you can sleep tonight, safe and secure in the knowledge that Trump will go away someday. Here's your participation trophy.

originally posted by: kurthall

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: StallionDuck

I guess if you fire a director, people will come after you..

You do if you fire him because he won't close his eyes to investigating your National Security Advisor. You do if you go on tv and tell EVERYBODY that you fired him because of this " Rusher ". thing... This Trump Russia thing...

Flynn was no longer the NSA when Comey got a boot in his ass....hadn't been for 3 months.
Comey was fired because he is a leaking political hack.
Check the facts before you........oh wait....look who I am replying to, facts are meaningless to you.

That is not why Comey was fired, according to trump, he was not competent. It was not until AFTER being fired he "leaked". When trump was asked about Comey after firing him, he said he was "relieved" because of the Russia thing. You need to get your facts straight.

You Leftists have an answer for everything, usually the wrong answer.
And you know for a fact that Comey didn't leak anything before he was fired?

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: StallionDuck

This will go nowhere.

At this point Donald Trump could start eating babies on television and Republicans wouldn't do a dam thing.

Yep, we've already seen something just as heinous with no repercussion. Bush and Obama's foreign policy is responsible for millions of innocent lives and multiple countries destroyed over false intelligence. Bush isn't liked very much, but was never impeached and Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize for his destruction.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: ausername

Nah..that was just him being as asshole.

So the Japanese PM was 'being an asshole' as well?

Oh that's right, you ONLY trust CNN so you've only seen the edited video with spin.

Forgot about you and your narrative for a moment there.

a reply to: DanteGaland

The problem with that is that it has to first come to the floor of the house for a vote. And as long as the house is under the control of the Republicans, it will never come to the floor, will not get a vote, so once again what is the point? If there was a chance it would see the light of day, that there would be a vote on it, sure, then I could see such, but right now, no, it will not do any good.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: DanteGaland

The problem with that is that it has to first come to the floor of the house for a vote. And as long as the house is under the control of the Republicans, it will never come to the floor, will not get a vote, so once again what is the point?

I'd say that is much less of a problem compared to the problem of there being no impeachable offense.

a reply to: face23785

Every booby trap set by the Democrats is blowing up in their faces right now.

If they were focus on issues that are important to Americans there might be a chance that they would win some meaningful elections.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: face23785

Every booby trap set by the Democrats is blowing up in their faces right now.

If they were focus on issues that are important to Americans there might be a chance that they would win some meaningful elections.

Didn't you hear? They had legendary wins in Virginia and New Jersey last week. Surprises of the century, they were. They were up against all odds!

a reply to: Deetermined

While yes you are correct that the man did have every right to fire Comey. However, it is the timing that makes this president questionable. And while there is suspicion and some evidence that would point to Russian collusion, however, how deep it goes, how high, is still being investigated.

As much as people like and do not like this investigation, it needs to happen.
Does Trump receive and profit off of being President, while sitting as President of the USA, yes he does. While the gifts are not so tangible, however, an intangible gift is still a gift none the less, and if he profits off of such, then it becomes a matter of law and the Emoluments clause in the US constitution. You see Trump has a habit of not having others present when talking with foreign leaders, keeping the US press and those who could say nudge the president when he is getting into areas that could cause problems, not around. There are probable conflicts of interest that are coming around fast, and those foreign governments know it, and don’t think that they won’t pull the trigger if need be, they will.
The problem here is that Trump and his children, have not divested themselves from their business, putting it into a blind trust. Trump still is very active in his businesses, as he tends to run them from any number of homes and offices that he has on his properties, like say Mar-a-Lago, or even Trump Tower, where he set up his headquarters before moving into the White House. As far as Trump receiving any sort of paycheck, how can we really tell, the man did not release any of his taxes to the point we really do not know if he has or has not. And his words, like all other politicians are not really something one can either believe or should.

One of the things in history that is very evident and is constant, is that a leader, any leader, the first thing that is seen is image and any chance of a scandal is often sought to be avoided. There is no question and often leaders in the past went to great lengths to avoid the image of doing anything wrong that they were above reproach. Even a sitting President, well up until Nixon, had and kept that image, being very careful and well guarded as to who they talked to, and how they were perceived by both those at home and in other countries.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: Deetermined

Does Trump receive and profit off of being President, while sitting as President of the USA, yes he does.

Where did you hear that? His net worth has declined since he's been in office. The campaign damaged his business image. Buildings that used to bear his name have been shunning him.

Don't believe propaganda. Question everything, double check for yourself.

a reply to: face23785

Really, well lets take a look at this:

1) The man has not released any of his tax returns for all to see.
2) The first half of his term in office, we the people paid for his wife and youngest son to stay in New York, in Trump Tower, a building he owns 100%, all of the money for the secret service to stay, and as he owns it fully, the proceeds go right into his bank account.
3) We the people pay every time he travels and stays a Mar-a-lago or any of the properties with his name on it, he profits.
4) Funny how ever since he became President, his hotel in DC, the new one, seems to get all of the foreign dignitaries to visit and stay at.
5) The Dakota pipeline, you know that one that is there in North Dakota, where Trump holds stock in.
6) Deutsche Bank, who has lent Trump money.
7) Argentina: Funny how there was discussions and allegations of a call during the transition period, which was denied. However, it appears as though a new project is going ahead, another Trump property.
8) China, funny how China, finished the Trademark agreements, since April of 2016, when he was running for President.
9) Ivanka having her product line pushed by Conway.
10) Kushner using his connection to get investors with money to invest in exchange for visas to the USA.

And all the while, Trump has not divested from his businesses, and as his immediate family is all involved in his administration, it would be a moot point, as he would still have influence and direction over his businesses. And as long as he still is involved in his own businesses, along with his family, and in government, there will always be the cloud of conflict of interest hanging there, and every decision he makes, on foreign policy and domestic will always be suspected of a conflict of interest, like the current tax bill, which cuts taxes on the very rich, which he and his family falls into that category.

a reply to: face23785
If one understand what an impeachment is, in short it is a trial. But if you want charges I believe number one would be obstruction of Justice. Interfering in an investigation is against the law, and is the classic definition of obstruction of justice.

Any one who has been around and saw Watergate will tell you the same thing: it is not the crime that is bad, it is the hiding of that crime that makes it worse.

That means that by interfering in the investigation into the campaign and all that surrounds it, shows intent to break the law. If he was smart, he would not only had welcomed the investigation, but would have ordered all those under him in his administration to cooperate fully, showing nothing to hide.

But he did not do that, but has been fighting it, along with those under him in the white house.

The thing here is that this is going to be a political fight. Impeachment proceedings have to be approved of in the House, and voted on, passed, and then congress breaks into a court of law. That means those who support the President would offer up attorneys to work with the President's personal attorney to set a defense, and the other half would have to have provide the prosecution. The trial would be presided over by the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, with the Senate acting as the Jury. It is all very public and records would have to be present. And I do not think that there are those in congress that would want this to happen, as they are equally involved, and do not want it to be revealed.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: face23785

Really, well lets take a look at this:

1) The man has not released any of his tax returns for all to see.
2) The first half of his term in office, we the people paid for his wife and youngest son to stay in New York, in Trump Tower, a building he owns 100%, all of the money for the secret service to stay, and as he owns it fully, the proceeds go right into his bank account.
3) We the people pay every time he travels and stays a Mar-a-lago or any of the properties with his name on it, he profits.
4) Funny how ever since he became President, his hotel in DC, the new one, seems to get all of the foreign dignitaries to visit and stay at.
5) The Dakota pipeline, you know that one that is there in North Dakota, where Trump holds stock in.
6) Deutsche Bank, who has lent Trump money.
7) Argentina: Funny how there was discussions and allegations of a call during the transition period, which was denied. However, it appears as though a new project is going ahead, another Trump property.
8) China, funny how China, finished the Trademark agreements, since April of 2016, when he was running for President.
9) Ivanka having her product line pushed by Conway.
10) Kushner using his connection to get investors with money to invest in exchange for visas to the USA.

And all the while, Trump has not divested from his businesses, and as his immediate family is all involved in his administration, it would be a moot point, as he would still have influence and direction over his businesses. And as long as he still is involved in his own businesses, along with his family, and in government, there will always be the cloud of conflict of interest hanging there, and every decision he makes, on foreign policy and domestic will always be suspected of a conflict of interest, like the current tax bill, which cuts taxes on the very rich, which he and his family falls into that category.

So you can't refute what I said? Have you ever filed a tax return? Can you tell me the block where you input or calculate your net worth?

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: face23785
If one understand what an impeachment is, in short it is a trial. But if you want charges I believe number one would be obstruction of Justice. Interfering in an investigation is against the law, and is the classic definition of obstruction of justice.

Any one who has been around and saw Watergate will tell you the same thing: it is not the crime that is bad, it is the hiding of that crime that makes it worse.

That means that by interfering in the investigation into the campaign and all that surrounds it, shows intent to break the law. If he was smart, he would not only had welcomed the investigation, but would have ordered all those under him in his administration to cooperate fully, showing nothing to hide.

But he did not do that, but has been fighting it, along with those under him in the white house.

The thing here is that this is going to be a political fight. Impeachment proceedings have to be approved of in the House, and voted on, passed, and then congress breaks into a court of law. That means those who support the President would offer up attorneys to work with the President's personal attorney to set a defense, and the other half would have to have provide the prosecution. The trial would be presided over by the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, with the Senate acting as the Jury. It is all very public and records would have to be present. And I do not think that there are those in congress that would want this to happen, as they are equally involved, and do not want it to be revealed.

I'm aware of all of that. The problem is there was no obstruction of justice. Comey himself told Congress his firing had no impact whatsoever on the investigation. It's fairy tale. Don't be misled.

a reply to: StallionDuck

I predict nothing will come of this. There won't be any serious impeachment proceedings until the Republican Congress is safe from primary challenges, and likely until we work through the indictments and know exactly who is being charged with what.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: Deetermined

Does Trump receive and profit off of being President, while sitting as President of the USA, yes he does.

Where did you hear that? His net worth has declined since he's been in office. The campaign damaged his business image. Buildings that used to bear his name have been shunning him.
Don't believe propaganda. Question everything, double check for yourself.

Of course...if we could check his taxes...

a reply to: StallionDuck

Nothing to see here , Just Another Example of Penis Envy by a Prickless Democratic Party.........

a reply to: face23785

It is amazing that pro-trump people can't see what the rest of the country sees. The bubble you guys live in, is insane.

Oh well, it will become clear come mid terms and next presidential election, then we will here excuses...etc.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: StallionDuck

Nothing to see here , Just Another Example of Penis Envy by a Prickless Democratic Party.........

Well the picked the wrong guy to envy. LOL. Trump and his lil fella make no one jealous. I wonder if that is why he is so popular with so many males, being proud of a guy with not much there being elected to president of the united states.

a reply to: jacquesdarippa

bubble you guys live in, is insane.

Yeah , that Awful Bubble of Freedom Loving Patriotic Capitalists Exerting their Constitutional Rights as Free Citizens . I can see how that Might Upset those Scumbag Liberal Socialists to the CORE..........