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Is it Racist to Post Evidence of Crimes Done by Muslim Immigrants?

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posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot




I wait with genuine anticipation your explanation of how that is not bigoted?


bigoted |ˈbiɡədəd|
adjective
having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others: a bigoted group of reactionaries | a thoughtless and bigoted article.


bigot in British
(ˈbɪɡət )
noun
a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race




posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Now we have established definition would you like to review your opinion?
edit on 15-11-2017 by ScepticScot because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 02:37 PM
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It was a comment by myself in answer to a member who is also a moderator that caused the OP to make this thread.

If I had quoted someone outside a thread I would have PM'd the person to let them know but the OP did not do this, no problem I thought yet still pointed out that it was my comment in the OP and replied. I got nothing back not even an acknowledgment, so I pointed it out and still nothing.

Maybe the OP missed both my replies or maybe they are just rude. Given the general attitude to those that are a little different to them I would go with the rude option as it fits the bill.


You can hide it poorly or cover it in riddles or even use a hundreds of year old written document that is being bastardised to hide your intollerance.

You can argue that it cannot be racist because of this or cannot be biggoted because of that but the truth remains.

If you generalise and use rare examples to push an agenda that is hateful or against a whole region, religion or group then you are wrong.

Just because you can nitpick and others will agree with you in an online forum does not and will never make your opinion be right.

I expect no reply from this and do not imagine the OP will ever see the simplistic truth of this but there you go.




posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 03:12 PM
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Testing testing, ONE TWO TWO TWooooo

Three times now and one of you gung ho freedom of speech I can say what I like guys has to come back at such a left wing viewpoint?

I gave you loads to go with on purpose yet I get nothing back?

C'mon give a little of that hard right attitude to make it intresting?



posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: nonspecific

Well said.



posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 04:13 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Painterz

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: WalterTilley

So you want to deny the facts about all the white males shooting a bunch of people in public places lately? If we're going to ban Muslims, we need to ban white men too. For my safety.


I am sure there are no men of any color that want to get near you, you are safe girl.



Well that's a deeply cheap and non-classy thing to say.

I hope you'll take the opportunity to apologise to the lady for saying that.

Or are you no gentleman?


She specifies that she hates WHITE men, so it's racist too. Thought we weren't supposed to be nice to racists?

Double standard hypocrites of the Left, go figure.


Mmm did she say she hates WHiTE men. ( Not sure why the capitalisation)?

Or was she making an ironic point about the mind boggling stupidity of Muslim bans.

Tricky one.


Except the logic was all out of whack. Conflating a skin colour with a religion is a deceptive trick, but not that tricky.


The logic seems sound to me.

The belief that all white men are dangerous gun nuts is no more or less stupid than the belief that all Muslims are terrorists.


Except one is racist the other isn’t.


Yes, the belief that all WHITE men are dangerous gun nuts. Muslims are not a race.

Obviously both are factually inacurate. Muslim or Christian, Caucasian or not, we have the same potential for good and bad.





That will be a tough position to counter, I would imagine lesmis may seek council before answering.


You imagine. Is that more reading between the lines?






Considering you haven't offered a counter argument, I would say my imagination was spot on.



posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 04:39 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot




Now we have established definition would you like to review your opinion?


Why would I?

According to your definition, the only people intolerant of other ideas are those accusing others of racism and bigotry for holding certain opinions.



posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 04:42 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Painterz

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: WalterTilley

So you want to deny the facts about all the white males shooting a bunch of people in public places lately? If we're going to ban Muslims, we need to ban white men too. For my safety.


I am sure there are no men of any color that want to get near you, you are safe girl.



Well that's a deeply cheap and non-classy thing to say.

I hope you'll take the opportunity to apologise to the lady for saying that.

Or are you no gentleman?


She specifies that she hates WHITE men, so it's racist too. Thought we weren't supposed to be nice to racists?

Double standard hypocrites of the Left, go figure.


Mmm did she say she hates WHiTE men. ( Not sure why the capitalisation)?

Or was she making an ironic point about the mind boggling stupidity of Muslim bans.

Tricky one.


Except the logic was all out of whack. Conflating a skin colour with a religion is a deceptive trick, but not that tricky.


The logic seems sound to me.

The belief that all white men are dangerous gun nuts is no more or less stupid than the belief that all Muslims are terrorists.


Except one is racist the other isn’t.


Yes, the belief that all WHITE men are dangerous gun nuts. Muslims are not a race.

Obviously both are factually inacurate. Muslim or Christian, Caucasian or not, we have the same potential for good and bad.





That will be a tough position to counter, I would imagine lesmis may seek council before answering.


You imagine. Is that more reading between the lines?






Considering you haven't offered a counter argument, I would say my imagination was spot on.


Counter argument to what?



posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

That all people are capable of bad regardless of their personal or religious stance.



posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed




That all people are capable of bad regardless of their personal or religious stance.


Why would I counter that? Is that more reading between the lines?



posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse
NO I don't think it is.

Then that’s an awful lot of time to put in compiling it all,just in the UK alone! endless.



posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 05:07 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot




Now we have established definition would you like to review your opinion?


Why would I?

According to your definition, the only people intolerant of other ideas are those accusing others of racism and bigotry for holding certain opinions.


Let's be clear you are making the claim that the statement 'all Muslims are terrorists' isn't bigotry.

Your position is indefensible and your continued attempts to defend it are frankly pathetic.



posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 05:09 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot




Let's be clear you are making the claim that the statement 'all Muslims are terrorists' isn't bigotry.

Your position is indefensible and your continued attempts to defend it are frankly pathetic.


For one, no one said that, and two, your intolerance of this opinion is an act of bigotry. You're making stuff up and pretending your intolerance is tolerance. Pathetic.



posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot




Let's be clear you are making the claim that the statement 'all Muslims are terrorists' isn't bigotry.

Your position is indefensible and your continued attempts to defend it are frankly pathetic.


For one, no one said that, and two, your intolerance of this opinion is an act of bigotry. You're making stuff up and pretending your intolerance is tolerance. Pathetic.


Your defense of your position was based on semantics and you failed at even that.

Let's be 100% clear you said, and it's in the post history for anyone to read, that the statement 'all Muslims are terrorists' wasn't bigotry.

Personally i am 100% happy to be intolerant of bigots. Non bigots can easily understand the difference between that and the bigotry you are defending.



posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

You pretended someone made a remark that they didn't make; you advanced and applauded racist arguments; and now we have here a fit of virtue-signalling to disguise it all.



posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 05:47 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Look, the words matter. If we are going to charge people with things that could lead to ostracization, loss of employment, loss of friends and family, even to violence, we better make sure the charge is accurate.



posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 07:52 PM
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Whenever someone makes a habit of posting transgressions committed by one particular race, religion, ethnicity, etc., it tends to suggest he is obsessed with making that particular group look bad. This is especially the case when a collection of anecdotes is offered up as though through sheer repetition it qualifies as data.

Remember, the plural of anecdote is not data.

If I start posting crimes committed by Somoan Americans, without any discussion of how such crimes compare statistically to those committed by other groups, all it would accomplish is making me look like I've got some sort of problem with Somoans.

So yeah, it is bigoted to continually post anecdotal evidence of Islamic crimes. It's also tantamount to propaganda. And it says a lot more about the poster than it does about the "topic."

Now, if REAL DATA is offered up, it can potentially be presented in a non-bigoted way, but generally the poster's tell will be in how they respond to explanations that defy their preconceived notion that said group has SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT.

And the fact that so many of the people posting these narratives believe there is something fundamentally wrong with whatever group is in question... I mean, that ought to tell us something.
edit on 15-11-2017 by Dudemo5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 09:25 PM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: mazzroth

The only apologists in Europe who actually pose a threat to the way of life of decent people, are the far right, fascist apologists that you would probably have no problem sharing a drink with.



You mean like the Trump supporters who you claimed something like "they should get what they deserve"?... You always seem so fast at labeling anyone and everyone in the right as "the far right".

I don't like true nazis, but the words "nazi" and "white power" "national socialists" and "the far right" are being used these days by many in the left to claim that it includes anyone and everyone in the right... except of course "national socialism' is a left-wing branch of socialism.



edit on 15-11-2017 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Nov, 16 2017 @ 02:17 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot

You pretended someone made a remark that they didn't make; you advanced and applauded racist arguments; and now we have here a fit of virtue-signalling to disguise it all.



Didn't pretend anyone made any remark. I asked you if a remark was bigoted and you claimed it wasn't.

The only ways you could legitimately believe that is true is if you actually do not understand what bigotry is or if you actually believe that all Muslims are terrorists.

Personally I think you are desperately tying yourself in semantic knots to try and defend a position you must know is wrong.

It's possible to legitimately criticise Islamic religion without being bigoted. That doesn't mean that islamophobia isn't real and that any and all criticism is legitimate.

Your right that words do matter. Trying to claim that opposing bigotry is itself a form of bigotry is devaluing the word and giving a defence to the real bigots.

Oh and 'virtue signaling' is pathetic snarl phrase generally used by racists and other bigots who don't like being called on what the are.




edit on 16-11-2017 by ScepticScot because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 16 2017 @ 02:33 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

SO how is JIHADI PHOBIA expressed there,HIDING?
OH yes CAMERAS to record your DEATHS because you got EMO about a NUT who hit a school and can't TRUST yourselves with an SLR like a boy can here...
WE have been LIVING with ISLAMISTS for DECADES, AND guns since the beginning when we left you r lands ,SHAME SCOTLAND didn't fight hard enough to get free.
ONLY Sharia kills them as it must.
edit on 16-11-2017 by cavtrooper7 because: (no reason given)




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