****Caveat: I'm in no way defending ANYONE in my comments, just pointing out realities and differences in the eyes of the legal system and in the
spirit of logic and critical thinking****
originally posted by: bgerbger
So after Trump's choice words came a number of accusations. Who to believe, the p****y grabber, or women who may or may not have an agenda?
Here's the issue with rape or sexual assault allegations: Generally speaking, they are he-said-she-said (HSSS) stories that lack any evidence
substantial enough to enter into trial. Without witnesses, or rape kits with DNA on them, or video/audio of such claimed encounters, judges and juries
generally have a duty of dismiss the case or come to a not-guilty verdict.
So, let's look at the list that you provided us:
Ivana: Retracted claim.
Jill Harth: Settled out-of-court under the claim that Trump backed out of a business deal, otherwise an HSSS issue
Summer Zervos: HSSS issue
Jessica Leeds: HSSS issue
Kristin Anderson: HSSS issue (and possibly politically motivated timing)
Cathy Hellar: HSSS issue (and possibly politically motivated timing)
Temple Taggart McDowell: HSSS issue (unless witnesses have come forth...which is still generally weak evidence in such cases)
Karena Virginia: HSSS issue (and possibly politically motivated timing)
Weinstein was publicly crucified for less.
Actually, Weinstein admitted to touching a woman's breast without permission in a
secretly recorded interaction
while he's trying to get the woman to come
into his hotel room while he showers, using classically predatory language while doing it. Weinstein is being publically crucified because of the
existence of some proof from the horse's mouth, so to speak, which lends credibility to the claims.
While Trump has made some disgusting comments, he has never admitted to anything, and on the contrary, assertively denies the claims. While admitting
to entering the changing room of the Miss America pageants unannounced, that is not "sexual assault," by definition, nor is it remotely the same as
what Weinstein is being accused of, which includes "more than 60 accusations of varying degrees of harassment (including at least 16 allegations he
exposed himself) and 27 accusations of sexual assault," according to this
of allegations against Weinsteing
So, no, as far as severity goes, Trump's allegations against him have nothing on Harvey Weinstein's allegations.
But that said, it is very important to note that if ANY of the allegations are a matter of fact, it is disgusting behavior and both need held
accountable for what they did--again, if the accusations are true. If not, the women need held accountable for making false allegations, as justice is
a two-way street.
Why is there no equal condemnation of Trump?
Hopefully I've answered that question in an intelligent manner for you, as the circumstances for Trump and Weinstein differ quite substantially in
many respects, including damning evidence of sexual assault.
Why not call a spade a spade, or can Trump do no wrong whereas so-called liberal Weinstein is the devil incarnate?
Exactly, why not call a spade a spade instead of conflating the two men and their allegations and pretend that Weinstein has been "publicly crucified
for less" when, in reality, he is being accused of a LOT more and a lot more SEVERE wrongdoings than Trump?
Again, both should be held accountable IF allegations are true, but we don't know that, yet...at least, not in a court of law. Having been a paralegal
for trial attorneys (on prosecution and defense sides of the courtroom), I'm fully aware as to how difficult it is to prove allegations of rape and
sexual assault, but if they can not be proven, the accused is innocent, at least in the eyes of the law and punishment.
The court of public opinion is an entirely different matter, though.
edit on 13-11-2017 by SlapMonkey because: (no reason given)