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The Russian revolution.

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posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

It's insane to me too people still hold up US flags with pride, after Vietnam, Guantanamo, ... capitalism has costed more lifes than every ideology before. Get off your high horse.


FALSE!

Especially as what we have here is Crony Corporatism.


Big part of the Bolshevik idea was the collective. Rule of the proletariat, that a single dictator has hijacked it is unfortunate but not a property only communism has. Monarchies are much worse and still alive and kicking.


It took dictators to enact Communism. EVERY SINGLE TIME. Just the same as maintaining it.

Capitalism (producing goods or performing services, and exchanging them for other goods / services without The Government breaking you back for it) isnt inherently an ideology. Communism is!

And the only way Communism can work is if everyone agrees and fully participates. If people dont then the system breaks down. Therefore it MUST be ENFORCED. And that's why it takes tyrants to even get it off the ground, keep it in place. Even banning all other religions & ideologies and making The State / The Party the one and only 'religion' of the land isn't effective enough, and tht's the only hope it ever has of working short of The Boot. And yet every time The Boot and The Gulag still had to run roughshod in trying to maintain it.

With "capitalism" those stipulations arent inherent iron laws for it to function. With Communism its been proven to every single time.
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posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:39 AM
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a reply to: Peeple


At least our ideology is just and righteous. Most of our death toll is comprised of communists, socialists, and terrorists.

By all means, make excuses for the fact that their communist flag represents more murder than any Nazi ever committed. Communists are the worst, then Nazis/socialists, then corrupt governments. Capitalism/Freedom/Liberty is way, way up at the top.

More commie apologists I see.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:39 AM
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a reply to: neo96

Non sequitur.

Besides, I didn't say they should, I said that you can't lay blame on them if they never had a chance.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss


Agreed. Practice or support for communism is worse than practice or support of Nazi-ism.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: Peeple




After we learned to accept and celebrate individualism you're plane wrong. They are we and we are better than rulers want us to know.


Not hardly.

The problem with the borg collective is NOTHING trumps self interest.

Collectivists are just plain wrong trying to subject the individual to the mob.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: daskakik


There is no collective. There are individuals and their families/friends, who will do anything to support one another. They may have a this veneer of care for their "collective," but in the end, they care enough to pay lip service to it but nothing else.

Communism/socialism are both failed ideologies, time after time after # time!



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Especially as what we have here is Crony Corporatism.

The same thing they had in the USSR.

The same thing that appointed leaders always put into effect.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Capitalism is still killing, worse it is killing and destroying human civilisation as a whole and for what? For green paper snippets, or digital digits.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

Same thing goes for every other system.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: daskakik



Non sequitur.


Bull and crap.

I can go on all day long.

Being it acting like insects or SHEEP.

The topic shows us all just how evolved modern society is.

Instead of people adapting to their environment change it to suit the masses.

Which isn't how HUMANS became top of the food chain.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: neo96


Fortunately, neo96, there are too many armed American patriots for communist scum to ever take over here.

Unless they want a force on the streets that makes the Russian revolution pale in size comparison.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:44 AM
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At least we don't massacre our own people and subject them to the whims of some phony "collective" idea.

Our system represents right and good: every person for themselves, unless an individual feels like being charitable. If you can't make it on your own here, you don't deserve to be here. Period.

Anything else is charity from Christians and other good people who want to help out.
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posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: neo96

How well would you do if you were an Island? Collectivism is what made humans successful.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:45 AM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Capitalism is still killing, worse it is killing and destroying human civilisation as a whole and for what? For green paper snippets, or digital digits.


That's not true.

See the hundreds of millions killed by Stalin and Mao's and Che's around the world.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:47 AM
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How well would you do if you were an Island?


Pretty effing good.




Collectivism is what made humans successful.


No it isn't.

What made humans successful is a bunch of individuals that create something, and trying to get dirty filthy stinking rich off it.

Capitalism. PROGRESS.

Socialism/Communism. DE EVOLUTION.

social, and technological stagnation.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: neo96

Eat your poison and breathe it and tell me it's not money which is the reason they are toxic.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: rockintitz

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Peeple

Nationalism is a form of groupthink.

So is Globalism.

And White Supremacy.

And Islam.

And Communism.

And Republican / Democrat.

And Football Hooliganism.

And Gay Pride.



What does this mean? Is every opinion I hold that is shared by another groupthink?

Groupthink is having opinions because other people around you also have those opinions.

It is not having opinions because you've come to a well reasoned set of convictions that some others also share.

Everything is groupthink under your definition.


Groupthink isnt merely opinions, its ideology. And anyone via their opinions can be targeted into groups, and those groups can be honed into ideologies. The ideologies can be stoked with supremacist fervor, and the people in them can be turned to blind loyalty / rabid fervor / self-censorship / collective narcissism / learned psychopathy / violent angry mobs AND SO ON.

This is primal urge stuff within all of us. There's s silent nagging in outr subconscious to fit into groups, and for our groups to be Exceptional (over other rival groups). Then groupthink naturally kicks in; the larger the group there more power it has over the individual and the dumber each becomes while in it.

Leaders / rulers that know this can almost effortlessly wield this power over us to achieve their ambitions.

This is the glue that holds societies together, and this same force can just as readily be exploited to turn that 'glue' into an explosive.

And the more people insist on denying these facts of life / human nature, the more hopelessly they are open to being utterly ruled by them.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:49 AM
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a reply to: neo96

Dude if single humans would never have created villages and societies we wouldn't have ever made it that far. Society is inherently collectivism.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:50 AM
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Fortunately, neo96, there are too many armed American patriots for communist scum to ever take over here.


That's why the commies have for over 80 years destroyed a multi billion dollar industry, and put millions of people out of work, and STILL try to go around trying to ban boom sticks.

I'd like to agree, but I can't.

Between flags,statues,cross's,

The cultural 'revolutionists' have been wining.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 10:50 AM
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a reply to: Peeple


No, personal achievement leading to rapid advances in technology/science/medicine is what made us successful.

"The collective" has never done anything. Every single achievement has been at the hands of a visionary individual who usually went to great lengths/personal risk to make a discovery.

What has "the collective" ever done? The very idea of that minimizes the achievement of our founders and ancestors who literally built Western civilization. That was 100% commie free, American raised achievers, pioneers and visionaries.

Oh well, no reason to get bent out of shape over some commie-delusions. Never going to happen here.



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