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Why do you think it's ok to accept that women are incapable of standing up for themselves?

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posted on Nov, 13 2017 @ 12:54 PM
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Amen, I teach women to fight back and defend themselves every day.

Real Feminists do teach and preach that women should stand up and defend themselves. That's true feminism...empowering women.

I see it every day.

Not sure why the op doesn't see it? Sure, I get it there are "some" feminists out there who do rail against that with ...why don't you just teach men not to attack women instead or whatever, but that's a really small minority.




posted on Nov, 13 2017 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Because there is an entire culture of victimhood and certain groups get a lot of money and power by exploiting this.



posted on Nov, 13 2017 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: amazing


And I am an ardent supporter of true feminism (the kind that empowers women to choose their own destiny and stand up for themselves)

It is the ones who state "why don't you just teach men not to attack women instead or whatever, but that's a really small minority" I take issue with. They are assuming we have any control over their actions, or that "teaching them" has any remote possibility of success. We can never rid the world of evil.

The fact that evil and predatory humans exist is a well established fact. IMO to not take specific defensive measures is setting yourself up to fail. Of course it isn't the victim's fault, no doubt about that. But knowing how dangerous and prolific predators are, I find it equally obvious that taking defensive measures (like carrying a concealed weapon + training) is so important. I'd rather not be a victim, and so would my daughters/wife. That is why everyone in my family chooses to carry a firearm, we collectively reject the risk of becoming victims to a predator.

You cannot legislate or educate away evil/predatory humans.
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posted on Nov, 13 2017 @ 02:13 PM
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No upper body strength, attempting to assert in areas of confrontation that break down to combat ARE NOT their place at all.
THE FRONT LINE combat as the US fights ,will kill them off or render them ineffective by stress injuries, they don't ignore that men must.
WE don't change how we combat because it works when executed properly, NO draft ,women or criminals need apply accept in support roles.
Intellectually competing with a sex is a failure of time management instead adapt WOMEN to the force ,not the force to women.
YES i am OLD,sick and can't breathe am and I can take ANY MMA girl you put in front of me(Bet she can RUN well) ,MOST can who are trained, just kill their joints then the person,NOT too hard, the bones break easy and going for bloody wounding will probably freak them out

NOT to mention IF THEY DID get accepted, THEY COULD be DRAFTED and decimate our populace.
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posted on Nov, 13 2017 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

According to what are you basing this on? As far as I see, feminism is prevalent than ever.



posted on Nov, 13 2017 @ 04:17 PM
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Here are a lot of women who stand up for and protect themselves. The people in this channel train hard to advance self defense skills, which include verbal assertiveness and issuing commands.

These women will make anyone second guess the idea that they aren't capable of standing up for themselves.

www.youtube.com...

Armed and feminine

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posted on Nov, 13 2017 @ 05:32 PM
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Until women will take a punch in the face for acting like an ahole I don't see them sticking up for themselves really just yelling alot.

I'm teaching my daughter martial arts so if she feels the need to she can stand her ground really.



posted on Nov, 14 2017 @ 06:35 AM
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a reply to: toysforadults

I think its a generational thing, because all my female family members are all really strong women !

my great great aunt was one of the first women in the ambulance service during WW2 and was one of the first women to drive in our home town of Grangemouth back in the day



posted on Nov, 14 2017 @ 09:59 AM
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an interesting article that fits with this forum

5 reasons the world thinks women are crazy



posted on Nov, 14 2017 @ 10:16 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: toysforadults

I think its a generational thing, because all my female family members are all really strong women !

my great great aunt was one of the first women in the ambulance service during WW2 and was one of the first women to drive in our home town of Grangemouth back in the day


countries were stuck in ww2 , all the men were off fighting so women were encouraged fr the first time since ww1 to go out get jobs, learn to drive, be independent, but like ww1 they were then told to go back to the kitchen so the men could have their jobs back, look at the 50s it was about looking after the men, looking after the house.

1950s good house wife article



posted on Nov, 15 2017 @ 02:43 AM
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a reply to: kerrichin

is there anything wrong with looking after men who just fought and died in a war ?
or looking after your family home because the men had fought and died to protect their way of life

is that too much to ask of females to care for men , is that to much to ask of anyone ?



posted on Nov, 17 2017 @ 08:02 PM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: kerrichin

is there anything wrong with looking after men who just fought and died in a war ?
or looking after your family home because the men had fought and died to protect their way of life

is that too much to ask of females to care for men , is that to much to ask of anyone ?


nice little turn round there
i was commenting on the fact women where expected no actually forced to leave there jobs so men could have them, then told to look after the men folk.
and yes actually it is, if she chooses to fare enough but forced to no, also women faught in the war even in the front line as spys, snipers, pilots and infantry but its happily forgot about and ignored, they rarely get the praise they are due, if any at all, some cases not being reported until now 70 years and 100 years after both wars.
yes men fought died and suffered but so did women.
why should the women go home and slave away for the men folk if they dont want to this is my point and also the lack of gratitude they received with out the women building the planes manning the radios, nursing the sick ect the war would of been completely different



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 05:17 AM
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I doubt many were forced into work after the war considering the loss of life, jobs would have been in abundance so not sure many were actually forced out of work , is there stats on this although I doubt it was very high considering so many lost their lives.

Id rather be forced into a kitchen than forced onto a ship with a rifle in my hand never to see my family again or my homeland



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 06:56 AM
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I've struggled with voicing my opinion in this thread for a few days. Reading through all the responses, taking in the thoughts and opinions of others. Some are very disheartening, cringe worthy. I only say that because I was a victim myself. Yep I was stalked, assaulted, and almost raped. I fought back and managed to escape...and reported the incident to the police right after it occurred. It was a life/death scenario. Had I not fought back, he would've done what he wished and killed me. (this was verbally stated to me in the attack)

I tell you that much just to let you know how invested I am in this subject. And although I could try and explain what it felt like to have done the right things and put my faith in the system and see no results, you still wouldn't understand if you haven't experienced it for yourself.

What I did notice in this thread is no statistical data. One thing that hasn't been pointed out is that a majority of these assaults are done by someone the victim knew. (7 out of 10)

The other thing is that most of these rapists don't see any jail time:

Those two facts alone should tell the majority of you why women don't report it. But, they did survey some and this is what the responses were:



Of the sexual violence crimes not reported to police from 2005-2010, the victim gave the following reasons for not reporting:5
• 20% feared retaliation
• 13% believed the police would not do anything to help
• 13% believed it was a personal matter
• 8% reported to a different official
• 8% believed it was not important enough to report
• 7% did not want to get the perpetrator in trouble
• 2% believed the police could not do anything to help
• 30% gave another reason, or did not cite one reason



Victim shaming is a real thing, I experienced it first hand. Justice system not helping is a real thing, I experienced it first hand as well. And yes, by the time I got done with the whole thing, I felt like I should've never reported it. I lost my job and many friends over it (by choice because he was still allowed into my place of work and the friends weren't really friends. I found that out in the aftermath). Even though there was an eye witnesses, and the police were called to the scene, I still was looked down upon. His life continued as it was before.

I understand why people don't report these crimes, it is not hard to see that there is no justice for doing so. But I also understand that there are false accusations made as well. I've seen both sides of the spectrum.

Just wanted to add some statistical data along with a personal account. I think both are very relevant when you are talking about why women don't fight back. I fought back both physically and through the judicial system, and there was no justice to be had for me. My whole life was turned upside down, and he just carried on with his life as normal.

All data quoted can be found here ...

Thanks,
blend



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:25 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: worldstarcountry

If it weren't for my world famous Roofietini I would never have seen any action.

Can someone explain to me why this post received 9 stars?
And why did no one comment?

I am not 100% sure what Roofietini is but after a search online - it seems that it is a date rape drug.

Is this what Freemasons think is acceptable?
Or was it just a joke? A not at all funny joke.

How can a woman stand up for herself when she is unconscious because she has been drugged?


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posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:30 AM
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if anything those stats tell me the justice system is the problem in terms of conversion from reporting the crime to the conviction of guilty parties.

but of course the real problem lies with the people committing the acts. how did they get to the point they are able to do this to another human.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 07:32 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

its received stars because 9 people have a dark sense of humour , its not illegal and it maybe tasteless to laugh at such a cruel act.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 08:20 AM
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originally posted by: Itisnowagain
Is this what Freemasons think is acceptable?


Yeah, they teach us this one right after baby eating.



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 08:27 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I thought it was just placenta and aborted fetus that you guys were into



posted on Nov, 20 2017 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
I thought it was just placenta and aborted fetus that you guys were into


Or as we say, the actual Fountain of Youth.




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