Originally posted by thehamsamiam
Oh well whats new here. Perhaps our system isn't the best in the states but atleast we don't have such problems here. Now if we would only close the
boarder to Mexico maybe then the Mexicans will take control of their lives. I just don't understand them at times. I love them and have many Mexican
friends but dam if they just little to relaxed as a people to let this crap go on.
Before I disagree with you I'll say that this is the longest post I've seen you make so far, and that's a good thing. Articulating your points on
an issue is always better than giving one-liners. So welcome to ATS and please do continue to express your opinions this way.
Formalities being addressed, we can now get on to why it would be a horrible idea to just shut the border and leave Mexico to its own devices. Mexico
has not been a great neighbor, their economy depends much on illegal immigrants to America sending back money, and they have shown little or no
respect for us. All of those points I grant make it seem appealing to just let them rot. The problem is that they are strategically important to our
security and if they can't lean on us they're going to lean on somebody else- and that somebody could be China or a friend of China's. That would
For America to remain secure, the Mexican immigration problem must be checked and regulated, but an all out shutting of the border and cessation of
relations with Mexico just won't do. We need to help them put that country in order, because 1. We helped them get that way. 2. We suffer if we leave
them that way.
America needs to withdraw from NAFTA and get its businesses out of Mexico. Mexican-owned companies have to dominate their economy so that there can be
entrepenuership and growth FOR MEXICANS IN MEXICO. When an American company goes to Mexico to make something it creates working class jobs in Mexico
but it brings the profits right back here to America which means that there will be no high-middle or upper class jobs for Mexicans in Mexico. Only
working class jobs, which are being exported to Mexico explicity because the working class in Mexico is allowed to live in poverty and be underpaid.
We also need to provide incentives for American companies to trade with Mexican companies instead of Chinese ones where practical. When we stiff
Mexico to trade with China we build the threat of hostile influences in South America while weakening our buffer zone.
We need to enforce our existing immigration laws and stop illegal immigration for our own sake, but we also must help Mexico provide an alternative by
pressuring their government to institute reforms and by offering aid where appropriate.
As for Mexicans being "too relaxed". That's sort of thin ice. There is this vicious "lazy mexican" stereotype which that statement could be
confused with, even if that wasn't your intent. The Mexican people did manage to do something for themselves by getting the PRI out of power after
all those years. They are being deprived of the opportunity to build their economy because NAFTA opened the door for American entrepenuers to make all
the money while Mexican laborers slaved for pennies on the dollar. They're economically oppressed.
Last but not least, to bring this thread somewhat back on topic- if we think Mexico is doing bad now, just wait and see what happens if the country
falls into partial anarchy or becomes a "kleptocracy" under druglords. They wont even have a working class anymore if that happens.