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Second Amendment Advocates Have Blood on Their Hands

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posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 05:50 AM
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originally posted by: network dude
Go to the root of the problem. The shooter.

But it is not the individuals fault.

We all know Guns are just tools. By themselves, they can do nothing. The person holding the gun, pointing it at other, (and here is the big part) and being willing to take the life of others, is the real problem. Why do people feel they have that right, or need to take others lives? What happened to the sanctity of life? What happened to empathy? What happened to love? Is the problem mental health? Is it video games? Is it kids being brought up without a parent at home?

Society has a problem - there is not enough care for people. Watch 'Bowling for Columbine'.

You think the problem is 'the shooter' - so if you remove 'that shooter' the problem is over??
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posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 05:57 AM
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originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: network dude
Go to the root of the problem. The shooter.

But it is not the individuals fault.

We all know Guns are just tools. By themselves, they can do nothing. The person holding the gun, pointing it at other, (and here is the big part) and being willing to take the life of others, is the real problem. Why do people feel they have that right, or need to take others lives? What happened to the sanctity of life? What happened to empathy? What happened to love? Is the problem mental health? Is it video games? Is it kids being brought up without a parent at home?

Society has a problem - there is not enough care for people. Watch 'Bowling for Columbine'.

You think the problem is 'the shooter' - so if you remove 'that shooter' the problem is over??


Um, yea. If there is no shooter, the #ing gun will just lay there on the table, you know, laying there.
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posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 05:59 AM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: bgerbger
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

One must first have a mind to expand it.

Australia has much stricter gun laws than the U.S, and consequently, so many less crimes related to firearms.

It's mindblowing in its simplicity; less guns on the street = less gun crimes.


I think that Australia is the example America should follow.


The problem here is that our cultures are completely different to begin with, and we can rely on American history versus Australian history as a guide as to why guns are predominant in American society and not Australian society.

Buy-back schemes have been tried in the US to little avail - because culture inhibits the government from placing a blanket ban - from government representatives through to average Joe, many many endorse law abiding citizens owning firearms. It's a big industry.

Now, we should also discuss psychotropics and the individuals who carry out these massacres - they very well may have been 'compromised' somehow - we need to figure it out.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 05:59 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: network dude
Go to the root of the problem. The shooter.

But it is not the individuals fault.

We all know Guns are just tools. By themselves, they can do nothing. The person holding the gun, pointing it at other, (and here is the big part) and being willing to take the life of others, is the real problem. Why do people feel they have that right, or need to take others lives? What happened to the sanctity of life? What happened to empathy? What happened to love? Is the problem mental health? Is it video games? Is it kids being brought up without a parent at home?

Society has a problem - there is not enough care for people. Watch 'Bowling for Columbine'.

You think the problem is 'the shooter' - so if you remove 'that shooter' the problem is over??


Um, yea. If there is no shooter, the #ing gun will just lay there on the table, you know, laying there.


But it is just one shooter that is stopped - how many potential shooters are there?
Stopping one shooter doesn't not stop the issue!

Seems that each shooter dies at the end of his shooting spree - and then there is another in the news - have you noticed?
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A 'shooter' is not a 'shooter' until the 'shooter' has shot. The gun has to be off the table for a 'shooter' to be.
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posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 06:00 AM
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originally posted by: bgerbger
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

One must first have a mind to expand it.

Australia has much stricter gun laws than the U.S, and consequently, so many less crimes related to firearms.

It's mindblowing in its simplicity; less guns on the street = less gun crimes.


But then in Britain, less gun crimes = more knife crimes.

What's your point?



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 06:01 AM
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Why Australia style confiscation will not work is just as simple, lets ignore the tens of millions of law abiding citizens that would not just turn in there guns willy nilly.

They are an Island we are not, our southern neighbor has a problem with drug cartels, cartels are notorious for wanting to make money so if a market opened in the US like selling guns they would be on it like stink on poop.

Add in the left does not want us to even try and gain control of the southern border, well there you have an open path for guns instead of drugs to flow into the US to fill the void.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 06:02 AM
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originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: bgerbger
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

One must first have a mind to expand it.

Australia has much stricter gun laws than the U.S, and consequently, so many less crimes related to firearms.

It's mindblowing in its simplicity; less guns on the street = less gun crimes.


But then in Britain, less gun crimes = more knife crimes.

What's your point?



Yes, because you can kill so many more people in seconds with a knife as compared to a semi-automatic weapon.

What's yours?



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 06:04 AM
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originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: network dude
Go to the root of the problem. The shooter.

But it is not the individuals fault.

We all know Guns are just tools. By themselves, they can do nothing. The person holding the gun, pointing it at other, (and here is the big part) and being willing to take the life of others, is the real problem. Why do people feel they have that right, or need to take others lives? What happened to the sanctity of life? What happened to empathy? What happened to love? Is the problem mental health? Is it video games? Is it kids being brought up without a parent at home?

Society has a problem - there is not enough care for people. Watch 'Bowling for Columbine'.

You think the problem is 'the shooter' - so if you remove 'that shooter' the problem is over??


Um, yea. If there is no shooter, the #ing gun will just lay there on the table, you know, laying there.

But it is just one shooter that is stopped - how many potential shooters are there?
Stopping one shooter doesn't not stop the issue!

Seems that each shooter dies at the end of his shooting spree - and then there is another in the news - have you noticed?


I'm not sure where you are missing the point at, but try this. The shooter.........stop there and think about this, without him, there can be no shooting. Why is he there? What made him want to kill others who did nothing to him? Why does he feel he has the right to take the life of another? Start there, and when you have solved that, move on to guns. But as you have seen, you don't need a gun, a rental truck will work too.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 06:04 AM
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A lock only keeps an innocent man out. Laws preventing law abiding citizens from defending themselves are completely different then laws that hire enough cops to shut down black markets that sell guns to criminals.
Criminals. Bad guys. They don't care about the law. Jail and prison it's a new tatoo and time. They have a gun back in their hands within 4 hours. But by all means restrick us following the law from protecting ourself.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 06:05 AM
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originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: bgerbger
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

One must first have a mind to expand it.

Australia has much stricter gun laws than the U.S, and consequently, so many less crimes related to firearms.

It's mindblowing in its simplicity; less guns on the street = less gun crimes.


But then in Britain, less gun crimes = more knife crimes.

What's your point?


Good point, only the other week we had a crazy guy with a knife walk into a shopping centre and stab 23 people to death in about 5 minutes flat.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 06:06 AM
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originally posted by: bgerbger

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: bgerbger
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

One must first have a mind to expand it.

Australia has much stricter gun laws than the U.S, and consequently, so many less crimes related to firearms.

It's mindblowing in its simplicity; less guns on the street = less gun crimes.


But then in Britain, less gun crimes = more knife crimes.

What's your point?



Yes, because you can kill so many more people in seconds with a knife as compared to a semi-automatic weapon.

What's yours?


do you get points for higher numbers?



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 06:06 AM
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originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: bgerbger
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

One must first have a mind to expand it.

Australia has much stricter gun laws than the U.S, and consequently, so many less crimes related to firearms.

It's mindblowing in its simplicity; less guns on the street = less gun crimes.


But then in Britain, less gun crimes = more knife crimes.

What's your point?


Good point, only the other week we had a crazy guy with a knife walk into a shopping centre and stab 23 people to death in about 5 minutes flat.


Don't they will believe it.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 06:07 AM
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originally posted by: bgerbger

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: bgerbger
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

One must first have a mind to expand it.

Australia has much stricter gun laws than the U.S, and consequently, so many less crimes related to firearms.

It's mindblowing in its simplicity; less guns on the street = less gun crimes.


But then in Britain, less gun crimes = more knife crimes.

What's your point?



Yes, because you can kill so many more people in seconds with a knife as compared to a semi-automatic weapon.

What's yours?


Oh, I get it...you want to slow the action of murder down...it's happening too fast for you to handle apparently....

Great plan.

My point is I'm not naive about human nature. I don't jade myself into believing a world without guns will eliminate crime or murder.


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posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 06:08 AM
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originally posted by: bgerbger

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: bgerbger
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

One must first have a mind to expand it.

Australia has much stricter gun laws than the U.S, and consequently, so many less crimes related to firearms.

It's mindblowing in its simplicity; less guns on the street = less gun crimes.


But then in Britain, less gun crimes = more knife crimes.

What's your point?



Yes, because you can kill so many more people in seconds with a knife as compared to a semi-automatic weapon.

What's yours?


A car or truck plowing into a crowded public open space will do just as much carnage - even more if 'bomb' - this is where denying/ignoring the psychotic make-up of the individual carrying out the event is fraught with danger - get rid of all the guns, I bet there will still be massacres.

LINT CAFE' - Sydney, Australia, 2014, guns.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 06:09 AM
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Also I would like to point out something I have been mulling over while living in Europe, all my euro friends routinely forget we are only 250 years old, and about the first 100 years we were primarily frontier living.

which puts us at just about 150 years of civilized living (in the loosest sense) according to European ideals, throw in over the last 65 years or so where you guys and gals have been using us like the Romans used the barbarians towards the end of their empire.

We have spent the better part of our existence dependent on firearms, so why exactly are supposedly educated people so surprised that guns are still a strong part of our culture.

I will not even touch on the Bill of rights,and the culture of independence vs European dependence on the centralized govt.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 06:10 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: network dude
Go to the root of the problem. The shooter.

But it is not the individuals fault.

We all know Guns are just tools. By themselves, they can do nothing. The person holding the gun, pointing it at other, (and here is the big part) and being willing to take the life of others, is the real problem. Why do people feel they have that right, or need to take others lives? What happened to the sanctity of life? What happened to empathy? What happened to love? Is the problem mental health? Is it video games? Is it kids being brought up without a parent at home?

Society has a problem - there is not enough care for people. Watch 'Bowling for Columbine'.

You think the problem is 'the shooter' - so if you remove 'that shooter' the problem is over??


Um, yea. If there is no shooter, the #ing gun will just lay there on the table, you know, laying there.

But it is just one shooter that is stopped - how many potential shooters are there?
Stopping one shooter doesn't not stop the issue!

Seems that each shooter dies at the end of his shooting spree - and then there is another in the news - have you noticed?


I'm not sure where you are missing the point at, but try this. The shooter.........stop there and think about this, without him, there can be no shooting. Why is he there? What made him want to kill others who did nothing to him? Why does he feel he has the right to take the life of another? Start there, and when you have solved that, move on to guns. But as you have seen, you don't need a gun, a rental truck will work too.

I am not missing the point - I am making the point you made. Why does a person become a 'shooter' or 'killer of people'?
I have said it many times - watch 'Bowling for Columbine'.
A gun is not needed to kill people - yes, a truck will do.

Why do people feel they have that right, or need to take others lives? What happened to the sanctity of life? What happened to empathy? What happened to love? Is the problem mental health? Is it video games? Is it kids being brought up without a parent at home?

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posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 06:11 AM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

So why does Australia have so many less gun (and other crimes) crimes per capita than Australia?

www.nationmaster.com...

Americans are always going on about how guns save lives. I've yet to see any evidence to support this.
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posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 06:12 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

ok are you willing to put your logic on the second amendment to the REST OF YOUR RIGHTS?

lets see
1st amendment right to free speech, peaceful protest and free express of religon

You know that speech can lead to and be catalyst to violence. So the government should restrict that (and they be sole decider) to stop violence and death.
protests can lead to (and have) violence and possible death...so lets ban them to stop it.
religion (as lots here seem to claim dont know if you do) is root of violence...so lets outlaw all religion and jail those that practice it...be christian, jewish, islam, wiccan, ect.

4th amendment right to unreasonable search and seizure
since all those that kill hide their weapons and you dont know who is or is not gonna kill
so let police, government, ect search you for any reason , at any time, and anywhere...like your home.

Are you willing to give up those RIGHTS and/or severe limitations of them (and other rights as well) to prevent deaths like you are demanding those with guns under the second amendment (btw you do know there are ALREADY LEGAL LIMITATIONS like no automatic weapons, children owning, ect right) ?

Spare me the "its apples and oranges" usual canned responce
a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT .....

unless you are then you sir at best are a HYPOCRITE
but more accurately a gun hater that doesn't care about rights over YOUR "CAUSE"

In conclusion again I ask clearly and to the point

ARE YOU WILLING TO LIMIT AND/OR GIVE UP YOUR OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS FOR SAME REASONS AS YOUR DEMANDING FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT?

Scrounger



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 06:14 AM
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originally posted by: bgerbger
a reply to: Sublimecraft

So why does Australia have so many less gun (and other crimes) crimes per capita than Australia?


Because Australia is Australia.

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posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 06:17 AM
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Yes, because you can kill so many more people in seconds with a knife as compared to a semi-automatic weapon.

it has been shown time and time again where multiple people have been killed injured in the same incident with a person using a knife

here is a whole page of them,

A note on mass victim knife attacks around the world: a single, very small 16 year old was able to wound at least 24 people with a knife in just 5 minutes



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