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Second Amendment Advocates Have Blood on Their Hands

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posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: DanteGaland




If you NEED an AR15 to "hunt", you suck at hunting and should go home.


Rather odd they based it off a hunting round.

.223/5.56.




posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:17 AM
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a reply to: DanteGaland




If you NEED an AR15 to "hunt",


Magazine size is irrelevant to a mass shooting. But it is very important to a self defender .
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posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:18 AM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: vor78

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Kryties
For what purpose is that projectile propelled at great velocity?


There are various reasons and not all of them revolve around it being propelled at another living thing.


And as someone already pointed out, not a single one is designed for murder.


All guns are designed to kill things, thats what they do?


That's a bit of an oversimplificaton. The rather important caveat is that all firearms on the civilian market in the US were designed and sold strictly for lawful purposes. Not something that can just be glossed over.


I think the simplification is valid, especially for hand guns. they are made to kill, intimidate or injure.



But only for defensive purposes, which completely negates the argument. If there even was one.

Edit: Also, that's not the exclusive purpose of handguns. There are many handgun competitions.


If you want a gun to shoot targets then why not leave it locked up nice and safe at the shooting range then?

Same with hunting. Live in an area where there is plenty of space to hunt and keep the gun in a fixed locked cabinet in a secure home and only take it out when going hunting and when finished lock it back up again. For added security keep the ammo in a seperate locked box.


Those aren't the only uses. I was merely pointing out they do have recreational uses, they're not exclusively designed for killing.


Well if you take away hunting and target practice what else would you buy a gun for?

Self defence or criminal activity = Killing,injuring,intimidating.

What other reasons have I missed for wanting to own a gun?



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I'm against the banning of guns for one simple reason: prohibition of anything has never worked.

You want to start a war on guns? Then just like the war on drugs it will be a war against people, and not the actual thing you're supposed to be fighting. You're just going to shift things underground and make them more dangerous for everyone, exactly like drug prohibition does.

Even if you could snap your fingers and make every gun in America disappear, it wouldn't be long before people are making their own. Or buying ones that are smuggled in. What a lot of people don't understand is that when you make something illegal, you make it easier to get. Now all you have to do is talk to the guy down the street and you can buy a gun no questions asked, where before at least there's some kind of legal hurdles to jump before you can get a gun.

I understand your sentiment but the reality is that prohibition of any dangerous thing, whether guns, drugs, or prostitution only makes that thing more dangerous as a whole to society.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: DanteGaland

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I need my different types of tools for the right job, one gun is not going to fly.


If you NEED an AR15 to "hunt", you suck at hunting and should go home.

If you are being invaded by wild boars and NEED high-cap guns, you PROBABLY should re-think where you live.


RE: your first point...do you know anything about guns? The only difference between an AR and any other rifle is the cosmetics of it. Maybe the way it feels in the hand due to the cosmetics. It gives you no advantage in shooting, and in my opinion actually hinders the ability to shoot with accuracy. When I first read this comment i had to stop and think what you were saying...and the only thing that makes sense is that you don't know much about guns to begin with. Or are just parroting something you know to be untrue.

RE: your second point...are you suggesting that the entire state of Texas should be evacuated due to a vermin problem with wild hogs?



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: underwerks

Nail on head.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

What gun law would you change ? 2nd



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: DanteGaland

Reading founders documents one will not find "hunting" or "target" shooting as its reason for being.

Having an ability to shrug off tyranny however is a case that can be made, only the best tools will suffice.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: nonspecific




If you want a gun to shoot targets then why not leave it locked up nice and safe at the shooting range then?


Most of my guns are locked up when not in use. I certainly wouldn't want them locked up off my property. They're mine, they stay with me.




Same with hunting. Live in an area where there is plenty of space to hunt and keep the gun in a fixed locked cabinet in a secure home and only take it out when going hunting and when finished lock it back up again.

This is just standard stuff.

However I am not a hunter. Nor am I a target shooter outside of training.

My weapons are for self defense/combat. I don't get into semantic debates about what purposes guns fill. There are many. The main purpose of which is to either afford one an advantage in a fight or to even the playing field in a fight.



So you say your guns are soley for your own protection and that of your family and you take responsibility for them then? Good for you I have no issue with this.

As long as you are not pretending other than that their primary function is to kill, injure or intimidate in a situation you deem suitable I can see no reason to question your actions.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:22 AM
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originally posted by: DanteGaland

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I need my different types of tools for the right job, one gun is not going to fly.


If you NEED an AR15 to "hunt", you suck at hunting and should go home.

If you are being invaded by wild boars and NEED high-cap guns, you PROBABLY should re-think where you live.


Feral swine is an invasive species so it's not like they're just going to hang out in one area and stay there.

Even the USDA says hunting isn't killing enough of them.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:23 AM
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Well if you take away hunting and target practice what else would you buy a gun for?


The zombie apocalypse.

There is even 'special' ammo for it.




posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:23 AM
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originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: DanteGaland

Reading founders documents one will not find "hunting" or "target" shooting as its reason for being.

Having an ability to shrug off tyranny however is a case that can be made, only the best tools will suffice.



I'm actually glad somebody brought that up. I am curious as to how gun-owners think they can defend against tanks, bombs, missiles, jets, sonic weapons, laser weapons, etc etc with what amounts, in comparison, to peashooters?



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: DanteGaland

Reading founders documents one will not find "hunting" or "target" shooting as its reason for being.

Having an ability to shrug off tyranny however is a case that can be made, only the best tools will suffice.



I'm actually glad somebody brought that up. I am curious as to how gun-owners think they can defend against tanks, bombs, missiles, jets, sonic weapons, laser weapons, etc etc with what amounts, in comparison, to peashooters?


Because the human operating all those things is still a squishy sack of blood and bone.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:26 AM
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I'm actually glad somebody brought that up. I am curious as to how gun-owners think they can defend against tanks, bombs, missiles, jets, sonic weapons, laser weapons, etc etc with what amounts, in comparison, to peashooters?


Same way a bunch of cave dwellers have in the middle east.

Tactics.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: nonspecific

That's the idea.

The truth is no one wants to admit that they think of violence when it comes to guns.

Violence is a tool. Criminals use violence to get what they want. Good people need to learn to use violence to deny criminals their goals.



I highly recommend people give this video a watch. It explains the role of violence in society and how it doesn't have to be a one sided phenomenon.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: nonspecific




Well if you take away hunting and target practice what else would you buy a gun for?


The zombie apocalypse.

There is even 'special' ammo for it.



Ok aside from Hunting, target practice, self defense, criminal activity and preperaring for a zombie apocalype....



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:28 AM
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a reply to: nonspecific

Wut you mean prepare ?

It's already here.

Instead of running around mindless going brainz,brainz.

They are going gunz,gunz.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:28 AM
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originally posted by: ericendtimes
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

What gun law would you change ? 2nd


I do not claim to know what specific laws should be changed.

However I think that for a start any individual who wants to own a gun should have a license regardless of what state they are in and this should be a federal system.

I think that ammunition should be limited as should large magazine sizes. Individuals who wish to won multiple guns should be subject to much stronger checks and the overall aim should be to reduce the number of people who have multiple guns.

I think something has to be done about private selling, so you can only buy a gun or sell a gun to individuals licensed to buy and sell guns. Everybody who buys a gun should be subject to background checks.

I think anyone who owns a gun should be 21.

All purchases subject to a waiting period.

more regulation around gun manufacturing for selling to private individuals.

I think that there should be a much bigger effort to weed gun lobbies out of politics on both sides (pro-gun, anti-gun republican or democrat)

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posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: DanteGaland

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I need my different types of tools for the right job, one gun is not going to fly.


If you NEED an AR15 to "hunt", you suck at hunting and should go home.

If you are being invaded by wild boars and NEED high-cap guns, you PROBABLY should re-think where you live.




You let me worry about what tool I use for the job.

I live out in the desert where it is much safer and more peaceful then living in some dirty crime infested city.

An AR15 is weak compared to what use for my pig problem.




posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:29 AM
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I don't know why you even bother trying to have a conversation with members from across the "pond" to be honest. Mention anything about there precious firearms or the second amendment and they stamp there feet and tell us what a horrible country we live in with no guns, no freedom of speech bla bla bla. Its the same old clap trap every time, they are allowed to call members certain words by removing a few letters, telling us to mind our own business, when there own country gets into everyone's else's back yard and rams "American" freedom down everyone's throat. Just read the first 2 pages of this thread.

Its the same response every time a thread is made where people can see something wrong with a country that used to be a great example of the "leaders of the free world". This is now a joke, as we observers from across the "pond" watch a country we feel is our closest friend rip its self apart because of a corrupt political system with groups like the NRA paying for a say that only cares about its own protection and does nothing to have a fair and open debate about should people with mental heath issues or criminal records legally own a firearm.

To add.
I feel like people jump to the "you can't ban guns argument" to quickly when people are not saying that. just look at the statistics for gun crime and links to things like domestic violence, mental health problems and children accidently shooting some one.
edit on 6-11-2017 by Kurokage because: added the last 2 lines



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