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Mental Illness and Gun Rights

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posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 02:44 PM
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a reply to: Cygnis

I think VR/simulated REALITIES might be the answer, even if it would be a very sad answer.




posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: hiddenlight
Well,...the US has been murdering people for years and years and years. Mental illness can be defined by whatever flavor of the week you want. It's like semantics and double-speak; one person is a murder and another is a hero. It all comes down to this mass-mob-mentality opinion which is as bad as everything else. People haven't changed in thousands of years, so, I don't understand why people get excited and bent out of shape. US gov has been murdering, killing, and everything else forever and a day. Heck, what the US has done through-out it's history makes most serial-killers(murders) look like Saints. At the end of the day, keep your head down, and decide whether this really applies to you or not. Stay out of the eye, Stay away from soft targets, don't look like stupid and stay away from stupid. Don't fool yourself. Stay away from the heard and ignore most of what the heard says. Words to live by.


Perhaps you need to study the collective histories of the British Empire, China, Cambodia, etc... All have the same history regarding the mass killing of people. The U.S. is only an amateur new comer to that party.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: Krakatoa

I agree with you 100%.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: EternalShadow

Not the same. A mentally disturbed person doesn't need gun, knife, bats, clubs, cars, or truck "rights".

The issue isn't "control"...its mental illness. People kill people with everything...



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 09:16 PM
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I want to hear from members about a solution to the MENTAL ILLNESS FACTOR, antidepressants specifically, in regards to gun purchases.


one problem is there are a lot of doctors that proscribe antidepressants for pain.

I was DXed with fibromyalgia and given antidepressants for pain.
They did nothing for the fibromyalgia pain that was later found not to be fibermyalgia at all but was found to be Small Fiber Polyneuropathy from a couple autoimmune disorders i have.
This is what happens when you have specialist from different fields who don't talk to each other and don't read your medical records.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 09:24 PM
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These are questions that beg a discussion. Should people prescribed anti-depressants, anxiety medication, alcoholics etc be allowed to legally purchase and posses guns? Should gun owners be forced to take random drug tests?

I have no problem with responsible, law abiding, trained gun owners I have a problem with criminals, mentally unstable and irresponsible people that are ruining it for everyone else.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: mysterioustranger

Then why do the vast majority of people who decide to kill a bunch of random people choose a gun???

If there are a thousand different ways to cause that level of destruction, and to be fair their kinda are..


Why do they almost always choose to use a firearm???

Because by design guns give people a cheap, effective, easy to use way to kill a bunch of people fast..

Otherwise terrorists would have to think up some brand new brilliant McGyver type plan, with the hole usually being closed after every attack.

I can’t remember what cheesy fiction novel I heard spell it out best...but here is my attempt...


Before firearms the discipline and skill required to walk into a room with a sword and kill everyone was extremely high.. and usually anyone willing to put the time and effort into getting that good, would have developed a certain level of discipline along his way..

Guns changed that completely.. now it doesn’t take an Achilles type bad @$$ to walk into a room and kill everyone.. now it just takes any @$$hole and a gun..



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: conspiracy nut

No..

However we should have a registry and bi yearly qualifying .. with a very low threashold to pass..


edit on 6-11-2017 by JoshuaCox because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 10:16 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: conspiracy nut

No..

However we should have a registry and bi yearly qualifying .. with a very low threashold to pass..



Can we also have a regularly purged voter registry with required civics testing to be able to vote, religious registry, and bi-annual home checks, just to "make sure you don't have anything illegal."

Since we're putting stipulations on the exercise of one right and all...



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 10:27 PM
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a reply to: cynicalheathen

No just eye and licensing tests for driving and operating any other equipment capable of massive damage..



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 10:58 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: cynicalheathen

No just eye and licensing tests for driving and operating any other equipment capable of massive damage..


Driving is not a Constitutionally protected right. You are free to travel without a vehicle.

Bearing arms is a specifically enumerated right.

Voting, Freedom of Religion, and the Right to be secure in your person, house, papers, and effects are as well...

A driver's license and the right to keep and bear arms are apples and oranges.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:31 PM
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a reply to: cynicalheathen

Driving is about a gajillion Times more important to your daily life..

99/100 (likely more..) never ever ever get in a shooting event.

Everyone needs to drive or be driven..



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 11:48 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: cynicalheathen

Driving is about a gajillion Times more important to your daily life..

99/100 (likely more..) never ever ever get in a shooting event.

Everyone needs to drive or be driven..


That doesn't change the fact that it's not a right. If you like, you could start a movement to propose the 28th Amendment.

Should people be tested twice a year at their expense to make sure they can still drive safely? I experience much more danger in my daily life from other drivers than other gun owners.

In my adult life, I have had my possession/display of a gun prevent an assault or worse three times. That's 3 times that weren't documented, not reported in any statistics. Thankfully I've never had to fire a weapon at another human, and I hope I *never* have to.

I've almost been injured by other drivers many more times than I've needed a gun. Kinda puts things in perspective.



posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 12:18 AM
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a reply to: cynicalheathen

Driving should be a right...

Driving is a realistic fundamental part of the modern world..

People playing Rambo against the government, terrorists, gang members or whoever the hype train media is pushing that week, is not a realistic functional skill in the modern world..

Before cars and before the US military got WAY to big for the citizenry to rebel against, maybe that was different..

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A) you drive everyday..

B) You have pulled your gun and pointed it at people 3 Times.. weather or not you were actually in a life threatening situation though....

Just cause you pulled your gun doesn’t mean you should have, not does it mean you were actually in danger..


The percent of the population that is murderers is relativly nothing..

The percent of burgalars and such willing to escalate to murder is relatively nothing ..

Exibit a) the least of shooting deaths are from justifiable homicides..

There were 249 justifiable homicides in 2012 .. the first year I came across..

And there were 550 accidental shooting deaths..

So if a magic genie removed all the guns. That is WORST CASE 300 lives saved.. and it’s gotta be higher than that.. because not all those justifiables would have actually waited to see if they were in life threatening danger..



posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 12:46 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: cynicalheathen

Driving should be a right...

Driving is a realistic fundamental part of the modern world...


I gave the remedy for that "should be".



People playing Rambo against the government, terrorists, gang members or whoever the hype train media is pushing that week, is not a realistic functional skill in the modern world...


Citation needed for the rampant "playing Rambo."

Firearms handling is a very functional skill. It *decreases* the likelyhood of the gun owner or innocent bystanders being harmed the more it is practiced.



Before cars and before the US military got WAY to big for the citizenry to rebel against, maybe that was different..


Afghanis, Koreans, and the Vietnamese beg to differ with "too big to rebel against."

A) Not every day. I try to stay at home when possible

B) I never said I pointed my gun at anyone. I just let it be perfectly clear that I had one and wouldn't hesitate to use it. In 2 instances, it resulted in me seeing behinds and elbows, in the other, it was enough to make the threat back away slowly. Case 1, I believed I was about to be assaulted/mugged, Case 2 was an attempted carjacking, Case 3 was an interlude to a robbery.

In each case, if I didn't have a reason to believe I was in danger, the firearm would have never cleared leather. I am familiar with menacing/brandishing laws.

If my life were in *immediate* danger, I would have fully presented and fired in each situation. You see, you don't get to call a time-out and say "Hey Mr. Bad-Guy, lemme get my gun out!" during a bad situation. It's called situational awareness.

Where are the stats of "incidents that weren't reported because they didn't result in the discharge of a weapon and the attempted crime was stopped?"



posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 07:14 AM
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The vaccines do more than advertised.



posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 07:40 AM
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a reply to: conspiracy nut

But... Then they can use anything... Like cars, knives etc. It's not about gun control.. but mental illness.

Had a family member whom we had to hide the knives and forks from periodically.



posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 09:01 AM
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originally posted by: DanteGaland
a reply to: Cygnis

I think VR/simulated REALITIES might be the answer, even if it would be a very sad answer.


There was a movie a few years back called Surrogates, had Bruce Willis as main actor. Give it a view.

I can see that as a reality in the near future.

Sad,



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