Texas Church Shooting : Thread

a reply to: soberbacchus

Nothing like a nice refreshing 'doxxing', huh?

Feel better???

edit...only thing better would have been a few employee SSN's, home addresses and underwear colors.

this video blogger found the shooters colorado voter registration. says he was registered UAF, United against Fascism.

m.youtube.com...

Texas shooter denied gun permit

Kelley reportedly bought a Ruger AR-556 rifle in April of 2016 from an Academy Sports & Outdoors store in San Antonio, according to officials. When filling out the background paperwork for that weapon, future mass shooter ticked a box indicating that he did not have a disqualifying criminal history, and he filled an a Colorado Springs, Colorado address when asked where he lived.

So he was initially denied when trying to buy a gun, so he went to a different place and filled in false information to beat the system.

Can we drop the we need more laws BS, we need to fix what we have not graft more red tape on to the current system.

originally posted by: starlitestarbright

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: face23785

Doesn't matter.

The store followed the law.

Yeah I agree. I'm not blaming the store. Somehow the guy didn't flag though. He obviously should have flagged. We need to investigate that, find out why, and fix it. Magazine limits, "assault weapon" bans and other crap being proposed in the media is not the answer, it's kneejerk politicizing.

Please explain why you think you should have access to unlimited ammo, magazine capacity and "assault rifles"? Is it just because you like to play rambo? Go join the military if that's the case. I am very pro 2nd amendment but even the forefathers would have enough common sense to put a ban on them....or at least very regulated access to them.

Not to be mean, but if you think an AR-15 is an assault weapon I have my doubts that you are pro 2nd.

a reply to: soberbacchus

There are multiple trigger systems

No there aren't. At least not for what you describe.

modifications available that are legal to buy that can convert the AR-556 to being "virtually" fully-automatic.

There are devices that allow the simulation of automatic fire. I am not a fan of these devices for various reasons. Safety being chief among them.



The only part of your post that really bothers me is that he got a gun despite being on the prohibited persons category. This is either a failure at Academy Sports and they should be fined(or someone jailed) or it was the system itself.

originally posted by: Irishhaf

originally posted by: starlitestarbright

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: face23785

Doesn't matter.

The store followed the law.

Yeah I agree. I'm not blaming the store. Somehow the guy didn't flag though. He obviously should have flagged. We need to investigate that, find out why, and fix it. Magazine limits, "assault weapon" bans and other crap being proposed in the media is not the answer, it's kneejerk politicizing.

Please explain why you think you should have access to unlimited ammo, magazine capacity and "assault rifles"? Is it just because you like to play rambo? Go join the military if that's the case. I am very pro 2nd amendment but even the forefathers would have enough common sense to put a ban on them....or at least very regulated access to them.

Not to be mean, but if you think an AR-15 is an assault weapon I have my doubts that you are pro 2nd.

Some people use the "I'm pro 2A" mantra in order to try to sound credible, but whether they're pro or anti-gun, it's easy to see when they don't know what they're talking about.

a reply to: starlitestarbright

Question for you...

What do you think the "AR" stands for in the Ruger model AR-556, or the more generic reference of "AR-15"???

Hmmmmm?

originally posted by: roadgravel
The news stated the Air Force said the information on the shooter was entered into the check system.

Right.
The shooter checked a box indicating he had never been convicted of a disqualifying crime.

What happened then?

Background Checks in Texas

Last updated November 3, 2017.




See our Background Checks policy summary for a comprehensive discussion of this issue.

Federal law requires federally licensed firearms dealers (but not private sellers) to initiate a background check on the purchaser prior to sale of a firearm.

Federal law provides states with the option of serving as a state “point of contact” and conducting their own background checks using state, as well as federal, records and databases, or having the checks performed by the FBI using only the federal National Instant Criminal Background Check System (“NICS”) database. (Note that state files are not always included in the federal database.)

Texas is not a point of contact state for the NICS.
Texas has no law requiring firearms dealers to initiate background checks prior to transferring a firearm.
As a result, in Texas, firearms dealers must initiate the background check required by federal law by contacting the FBI directly.1

Federal law does not require dealers to conduct a background check if a firearm purchaser presents a state permit to purchase or possess firearms that meets certain conditions.

As a result, handgun license holders in Texas are exempt from the federal background check requirement when purchasing a handgun.2 (Note, however, that people who have become prohibited from possessing firearms may continue to hold state firearms licenses if the state fails to remove these licenses in a timely fashion.)

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originally posted by: Gazrok
I still say we're going to see these types of incidents happen at least monthly, if not weekly, in the months to come (and I've said this since Vegas). You can dismiss the conspiracy theories if you like, but it is what it is. I'd love to be proven wrong. Have to hand it to the NWO....this plan is ruthless, but a guaranteed outcome. The vast majority of Americans will not only ALLOW complete gun bans, they will DEMAND it. Absolutely genius, but also completely diabolical.

Ask yourself, just where does a guy with his background get the scratch to purchase all of these weapons, tactical gear, ballistics vest, etc. Being dishonorably discharged isn't exactly conducive to a high-paying job.

What more do fascists want ?

Complete disarmament, of course. And moreover, they are going to get it. There really is no other foreseeable outcome if these kinds of incidents continue. My estimate is that they will be ready to make the full public push for it after 2 more mass incidents before year's end.

Or.. they are actually what they seem. Of course those who never want guns laws touched in any way would -like- to think there is some sinister NWO agenda behind it. But sometimes crazy people with guns are just crazy people with guns. And the fix doesn't have to be "no guns or there is no solution at all."

Why some people think there are no actual crazy or wicked people out there boggles the mind. Apparently every terrorist attack, every crazy with a gun, every hate crime is a false flag with a sinister agenda - at least according to some people.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Texas shooter denied gun permit

Kelley reportedly bought a Ruger AR-556 rifle in April of 2016 from an Academy Sports & Outdoors store in San Antonio, according to officials. When filling out the background paperwork for that weapon, future mass shooter ticked a box indicating that he did not have a disqualifying criminal history, and he filled an a Colorado Springs, Colorado address when asked where he lived.

So he was initially denied when trying to buy a gun, so he went to a different place and filled in false information to beat the system.

Can we drop the we need more laws BS, we need to fix what we have not graft more red tape on to the current system.

He was denied a carry permit. That's not the same thing as being declined on a purchase. They are 2 separate processes trying to get 2 separate things. Lying on your form when you try to purchase doesn't allow you to "beat the system", that's why they run a background check. They don't just take your word for it that your answers are truthful.

a reply to: soberbacchus

As a result, handgun license holders in Texas are exempt from the federal background check requirement when purchasing a handgun

He was denied a license.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: soberbacchus

There are multiple trigger systems

No there aren't. At least not for what you describe.

I don't believe it is wise to promote product or specific mods, but I suggest you do a little research. I did use the word "virtually", which is sufficient, because fully auto for an AR is best for movies, not real life.

www.latimes.com...
The mass shooting at a Texas church that left 26 people dead apparently involved a domestic dispute and was not motivated by race or religion, officials said Monday. The gunman in Sunday’s massacre, identified as Devin Patrick Kelley, had threatened his mother-in-law, who sometimes attended the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs.

Well that might explain him shooting his in-laws, but it does NOT explain why he shot all those non-involved people!

Earlier Monday, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said law enforcement was “very aggressively looking” at why Kelley, 26, a resident of Comal County, Texas, with a history of domestic violence, attacked the church.

Then I recommend they waterboard the shooter's shrink.

a reply to: projectvxn

Or the criminal gave false info and obtained the firearm under someone else's name/credentials.

a reply to: soberbacchus

I think it’s funny that you’re telling me to do my research.

There are no after market trigger mods to simulate full auto fire. None. Only ONE has been submitted to the ATF for review and the ATF said F No!

The only other device out there is the one I addressed, albeit not by name, is the bump fire stock or the slide fire stock. Neither makes any modifications to the trigger assembly.

Just so you know. I currently hold an armorers certificate, an expert marksman badge from 3 NATO nations, and regularly train others in firearms use and safety.

I’m not the guy you tell to do research.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: projectvxn

Or the criminal gave false info and obtained the firearm under someone else's name/credentials.

That's also possible.

a reply to: ausername

And for the inevitable zombie apocalypse, right?

Yeah... you do realize zombies are living people, called actors, with a lot of gory makeup, right?

As to the rest of your post... I never mentioned hunting, although I have hunted and maintain my right to do so to feed my family if needed. And this one portion:

psychopaths do what they do, not just because they can but because they believe they have to. If they intend to harm others they will find a way.

agrees with my reason for wanting to keep my right to keep and bare arms: if I am better armed than the psychopath, I might have a shot at surviving.

It seems the typical reaction from some is less about actually looking for a solution and more along the lines of:

"Quick! There's a 12-foot alligator on the loose! Everyone smear their bodies in chicken guts and lay down in the swampiest area they can find!"

No, thanks. I'm good.

TheRedneck

He was a puppy kicker! Grrrrrrrrr!

www.washingtonpost.com... d-springs/?utm_term=.61ad521839eb
Earlier that year, he was charged with a misdemeanor count of mistreatment, neglect or cruelty to animals in El Paso County, Colo. ... “The suspect then started beating on the dog with both fists, punching it in the head and chest,” a deputy wrote in the incident report. “He could hear the suspect yelling at the dog and while he was striking it, the dog was yelping and whining. The suspect then picked up the dog by the neck into the air and threw it onto the ground and then drug him away to lot 60.”

That's worse than child porn on his computer! Burn in hell, ___hole! I hope the dog isn't suffering from PTSD. I'll try to get updates on his condition.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Clarify your post?

How/when was he denied a permit? Are you referring to a CC permit?

Cuz he legally purchased the weapon.

Ahhhh! Another SSRI success story:

www.foxnews.com...
Shocked former classmates who attended middle and high school with Texas church gunman Devin Patrick Kelley described him Monday as being heavily medicated ... “His parents had him on high doses of ‘psych’ meds from 6th to 9th grade, the time I knew him,” said the student, who only wished to be identified as Reid.

Ahhhh! The child porn accusation:

Brittany Adcock, a 22-year-old who told NBC News that she dated Kelley for two months when she was 13 and he was 18, said Kelley would constantly call her after she broke off the relationship. "One time he told me I should move in with him and his wife and that he would take care of me as long as I walked around topless."

Ahhhh! More puppy kicking:

...he had a pit bull puppy that was left tied up in the sun all day.