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posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:45 PM
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a reply to: neo96

MEPS is the entry organization for all branches. So yes it is standardized.




posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Nyiah

From my understanding military serviceman have to pass a psych evaluation before joining ?

Yes/no ?

He was Air Force.

Yet another reason the 'nutz' argument fails.


Not really people can go suddenly nuts at any age, and he was reportedly court martialed.

With that said, do I think this guy was like schizaphrenic, probably not. There are different kinds of mental issues that can cause someone to do something like this.

The guy most likely did intend to go in there and kill people, but you have to be in some way mentally ill to think that is ok. Clinical depression is usually involved, because depressed people just care less about everything.

To me you are mentally ill if you can justify such an act in any way, and yes I do believe brainwashing is a form of mental illness.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
I am seeing pictures online that this kid was Antifa, and "vowed to start civil war"

Same was said about Paddock.

Look how that ended up.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:47 PM
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I get your point....but.... maybe he was ok a the time he took the psych test.....mental illness could have started later after that....we have to see the details that come out..we don;t have much info right now


originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Nyiah

From my understanding military serviceman have to pass a psych evaluation before joining ?

Yes/no ?

He was Air Force.

Yet another reason the 'nutz' argument fails.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: neo96

MEPS is the entry organization for all branches. So yes it is standardized.


I don't remember any psych questions at the MEPS but that was 1986.

Now, interviews for TS clearance..... yeah, they ask lots of questions.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:48 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Nyiah

From my understanding military serviceman have to pass a psych evaluation before joining ?

Yes/no ?

He was Air Force.

Yet another reason the 'nutz' argument fails.


Many folks join the service at 17-18-19 years old. Mental illnesses like bi-polar disorder, schizophrenia, some others, usually don’t manifest until a person is in their early to mid-twenties. While uncommon, it is not unheard of for veterans to be discharged for those type of diagnoses after several years of serving without incident, even though they were psychologically cleared when first enlisting.
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posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:48 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: IAMTAT
If it hasn't been mentioned yet, I'm hearing he was discharged for child porn.


Have a source?

twitter.com...
twitter.com...


Correct me if I am wrong, but that says it's related to a man named Jacob Mcintyre.


I think you're right.


Twitter just pulled the page.

Thanks for being honest.


Already edited the earlier post.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: proximo

Well I guess yall are 4 years too late with the same crap arguement.

www.military.com...



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:50 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra


So where is it X, where did I make the statement about taking away guns ?


I didn't yet you accused me of doing so....why ?



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: neo96

MEPS is the entry organization for all branches. So yes it is standardized.


I don't remember any psych questions at the MEPS but that was 1986.

Now, interviews for TS clearance..... yeah, they ask lots of questions.


Yep, my interviews for TS and the corresponding questionnaires were ridiculous.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
Our government let this threat get worse. Trump tried to get more vetting, but there were people fighting him all the way.
This may or may not be a Middle eastern terror event, but lowering that risk would make it a lot better. Guns were used in this one, and even if the people can have guns, usually the church goers do not take them to church. Maybe they will have to change their policy and have armed parishioners. It sucks when a place of god gets targeted by a killer.


It was a USAF vet who had mental issues because of poor treatment. He couldn't get it from the VA, and he couldn't get it on his own.

I really, really, don't want to politicize this. So what I'm going to say is simple. I don't think anyone knows how to solve this. We have at most a handful of ideas to mitigate it, and all of those ideas are a day late and a dollar short.

Better health care (including mental health care)
Fewer war vets
More restrictive gun laws
Looser gun laws
Better medications
Ending the political radicialization

That's about it. None of those are going to do it.

Perhaps the price of freedom is the fact that someone else can use those freedoms to buy a gun and kill you at any time, for any reason.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:51 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Nyiah

From my understanding military serviceman have to pass a psych evaluation before joining ?

Yes/no ?

He was Air Force.

Yet another reason the 'nutz' argument fails.




He is a veteran of the US Air Force​ where he worked with logistics and supply serving from 2010 to 2014. [17]​ [14]​ [10]​ He was dishonorably discharged and court martialed in May 2014.
Source
The killer could have developed mental illness after discharge or may be the reason for discharge. For example Schizophrenia in men roughly happened between ages 19 to 21 years old. He was 26 years old at the time of the shooting.
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posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: proximo

Well I guess yall are 4 years too late with the same crap arguement.

www.military.com...


Definitely after my time. I entered service in 2012. I had the informal questionnaire and the obligatory "do you want to hurt yourself or others?" line.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: dreamingawake

Could have ?

Moving on.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:55 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

We could always give up our freedoms too.

That's a solution too many cling to.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Xcathdra


So where is it X, where did I make the statement about taking away guns ?


I didn't yet you accused me of doing so....why ?



where in my response did i direct it at you?

Ill wait.

and tone down the drama. its not needed.
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posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: TheJesuit
What i would like is to put aside debating issues and put this guy's life under a microscope to see WHERE EXACTLY it started to go sideways and devolved into shooting up a church full of people.

A timeline going back 5-10 years Family, Friends- current and former, Online clicks to pages viewed, posts, EVERY SINGLE THING leaving no stone un turned.
I want to know WHY!
Then let it be known to everyone to engage in a positive way to address the issues found LOGICALLY and in a NONVIOLENT discourse for others that are going down this awful path i know this is a large task but if we can learn just one thing it may prevent tragedies like this OR Las Vegas OR Columbine OR ect...ect

Is it even possible in this day and age? WE as a Nation need to ACT .


"It is a fool who looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart".

You are asking for the impossible. We are not robots. We are all different, with different personalities, different abilities, different ways of reacting to things, different ways in which a person goes from placid to violent.

There is no way to go through a person's entire life and see how their minds reacted to things, how things stacked up one on top of the other until something fell over inside and broke. Psychologists have been attempting this for years with famous serial killers, and mostly what they get are educated guesses and sometimes, a morsel of truth from the killer.

Going down this path.....hmmm. Seems to me that people, if anything, tend to be copy-catters. If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that these types of individuals typically love things like violent video games in which they are shooting people up in the game and watching the blood spurt. They hate to lose and get very angry and juvenile. There is probably a fantasy fed by hate, anger, secret bloodlust, and an admiration for violent movies and games. Movies and games where the hero pops in and mows people down like a sickle through a ripe crop....then he stands there all proud and badass, with a smoking gun and not one person left alive.

These are typically males who are sexually frustrated, angry at being rejected a lot by objects of their obsession, and were probably bullied quite a bit by little jerks at school.

My only suggestion would be that Hollywood had better stop making such incredibly violent movies for suggestible types to admire.

Where have I seen a complete church slaughter before...Oh yeah, it was on TV a few weeks ago. The Kingsmen. Don't you think this type of thing would turn on a violent person and maybe give him ideas?


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posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: TheJesuit






so is this real or just edited on an epic level regardless who ever posted this needs to be interrogated as to why .. ppl died this is no longer just on the internet




Isnt that interesting....



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: proximo

Well I guess yall are 4 years too late with the same crap arguement.

www.military.com...


Definitely after my time. I entered service in 2012. I had the informal questionnaire and the obligatory "do you want to hurt yourself or others?" line.


I don't see how that kind of screening can be effective to begin with.

People do lie, and any system can be gamed.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Nyiah

From my understanding military serviceman have to pass a psych evaluation before joining ?

Yes/no ?

He was Air Force.

Yet another reason the 'nutz' argument fails.


Many folks join the service at 17-18-19 years old. Mental illnesses like bi-polar disorder, schizophrenia, some others, usually don’t manifest until a person is in their early to mid-twenties. While uncommon, it is not unheard of for veterans to be discharged for those type of diagnoses after several years of serving without incident, even though they were psychologically cleared when first enlisting.


Correct, happened to a friend of mine who was in the Air Force.



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