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posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:25 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: proximo


What you are doing is trying to drag me down to your level to argue...not gonna happen.


So, does that mean you do believe the truck was responsible?




posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:26 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: introvert

Healthy families are the root stock of a healthy society. If we can't discuss how to create more of them, then there is no way to fix what is wrong. We need healthy people to go back to healthy society.


Again, I agree.

I just think it's a bit more complicated than that.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:26 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: neo96

The whole "gun" argument is false.

It's hypocritical.

It's all about power and granting control to the state. So of course you'll get the pro-socialist/communists pushing for gun control at every opportunity.




Big question is how to have a discussion, I often argue more guns is not the solution to the gun problem, there is a big difference in that statement to removing guns and gun rights.

Why is it so hard for some to make that distinction.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: TobyFlenderson




Blind respect for authority has lead to far more deaths than all of the mass shooters combined.


After the NFA of '34, The GC of '68, the Brady Handgun Prevention Act of the '90s.

I would agree.

Blind respect for legislating human behavior has been an epic failure.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:27 PM
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Correcting
edit on 5-11-2017 by IAMTAT because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:27 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: proximo


What you are doing is trying to drag me down to your level to argue...not gonna happen.


In this instance an armed citizen is what stopped the shooting.





That's not the point though is it. The member I replied to was calling another member an idiot for pointing out more guns is not the solution stopping nutjobs from mass murder.


and overreacting and stripping guns from everyone is also not the answer.



edit on 5-11-2017 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:27 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
If it hasn't been mentioned yet, I'm hearing he was discharged for child porn.


Have a source?



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

for what it is worth (as I did not take a screenshot) I was looking at his facebook page before it was taken down...the gun was there, the athiest stuff was there... however, there was no antifa flag or any mention of antifa



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:28 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: IAMTAT
If it hasn't been mentioned yet, I'm hearing he was discharged for child porn.


Have a source?

Obvious troll is obvious. Or someone who got taken by trolls on 4chan.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: Tekaran

Yes, they did know.

I've been trying to get this allowed to post since early this morning but it goes against T&C to post from another forum.

I'm still waiting for word from Springer if I can post what was told a day 2 days ago about this 'false flag' - and two other incidents.

Still waiting but I can't post as I don't want to violate ATS T&C.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: dreamingawake

Thanks. I know there always is a lot of disinformation out there, just wanted to make sure.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:29 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: TheJesuit

Sorry MODS this needs to be seen if you could get the screen snap and post as a pic it'll give a reason to this madness. this was known and answers why the mirror in the UK reported it BEFORE any MSM in the US did.

Now this really gets my blood boiling!!!!!

www.godlikeproductions.com...


GLP is not allowed on ATS.

What does it say over at glp? I'm banned there.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:29 PM
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a reply to: neo96

I'm not for heightened gun control. I'm also not for some teacher smacking my kid.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:29 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: dreamingawake

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: dreamingawake

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed




I find myself agreeing with introvert on this subject, a discussion needs to be had about what is leading these people to flip out and want to hurt so many others.


My right isn't up for debate. Thus no discussion is to be had.

It is insulting to myself and millions of other Americans that have done nothing.


You're right.

It's not about limiting guns, but certain people from getting them.

And what causes people to snap.

Yeah with a focus on Veterans and PTSD.


No, it isn't.


From the quote:

It's not about limiting guns, but certain people from getting them.

What certain people?

Yes, I said that.

People who have mental health issues. And why there should be better screening and information sharing.

Such why I mentioned it Veterans and PTSD. As they are a biggest concern group with suicides.

Not sure about murder-suicide cases and if that has been studied, if that was this killer's direction.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:29 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Deaf Alien

Then I will just sit at my original position that the shooter was an asshole that should burn in hell.


No man he was 'nutz' the evil black object made him do it.


Do you think he was nutz?

Do you think what he did was wrong?

Answer.


I don't consider cold,calculated murder to be nutz.

HE KNEW what he was doing.

Nutz would be he didn't know the difference between right and wrong.

HE KNEW.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:30 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: TinfoilTP

I don't know which I should do... laugh or be sad at you taking 4chan's bait.


Not 4chan. Your pathetic attempt to associate everything with 4chan won't work.

GatewaypundiSource

Where's the Antifa flag?


See the atheist likes, the CNN likes, the picture of his gun? Hate facts do you?

Yes I see the image. Nowhere can we find them on any facebook links.
Nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada. You have been had.


The facebook page has been taken down by authorities. The real facebook page image is on gatewaypundit. Trolls over on 4chan added stuff to it. Not hard to figure out unless you are a novice to the internet.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:30 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: proximo


What you are doing is trying to drag me down to your level to argue...not gonna happen.


In this instance an armed citizen is what stopped the shooting.





That's not the point though is it. The member I replied to was calling another member an idiot for pointing out more guns is not the solution stopping nutjobs from mass murder.


and overreacting and stripping guns from everyone is also not the answer.







Now point out to me where I said or implied taking away guns was a solution .....



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:30 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

About 5000 pages ago, I said that even though I detest socialized medicine, I think that the government should step up and take over the mental health crisis in our country.

Mental health is not profitable which means it'd be perfect for a government program.

We need ready access, open access to mental health professionals.

Quit looking at the trigger and start focusing on who is pulling it.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:31 PM
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originally posted by: minniesoda
a reply to: Deaf Alien

for what it is worth (as I did not take a screenshot) I was looking at his facebook page before it was taken down...the gun was there, the athiest stuff was there... however, there was no antifa flag or any mention of antifa

I have seen the page before it was taken down too. No Antifa flag. One of our ATS member took screenshots.
If you are truthful about the "atheist stuff" then it could be due to his interest in atheism as in debating with them. Some Christians love to debate with atheists. Not uncommon.



posted on Nov, 5 2017 @ 08:31 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: IAMTAT
If it hasn't been mentioned yet, I'm hearing he was discharged for child porn.


Have a source?

Obvious troll is obvious. Or someone who got taken by trolls on 4chan.


Being discharged for such a thing is a very serious accusation.

I'd hope the member had a legitimate source and was not trying to spread unverified hearsay.



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