It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Papadopoulos met "Professor", Joseph Mifsud, while in college, No Real Russia Connection?

page: 1
13
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 11:17 AM
link   
So now we are finding out more about Pap's "Russian connection" and it appears he may not have had one at all:

Source

What Pap's claimed:


In an interview with the Telegraph, Mifsud verified that he was the professor in the documents but rejected his portrayal in Papadopoulos’ testimony. According to the documents, Papadopoulos told investigators that Mifsud had claimed to have “substantial connections to Russian government officials” and promised “dirt” on Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails” obtained by the Russian government.


What the professor says:


Mifsud, for his part, acknowledged introducing Papadopoulos to a director of a Russian think tank but says the motive was reasonable—he wanted the Trump campaign to better understand foreign policy—and insists that he didn’t know of any emails with any “dirt” on Clinton. “I have a clear conscience,” he told them. “We are academics. We work closely with everybody.”



According to the Telegraph, Mifsud said he was “upset” by the “incredible” claims Papadopoulos made. The claim that he introduced Papadopoulos to the Russian woman was absurd, he said. And in emails with the Washington Post in August, Mifsud said he had “absolutely no contact” with the Russian government and was instead just an academic who didn’t even speak Russian.

The Post also reported that Mifsud’s former assistant said he bragged about a “short private meeting” with Putin. She didn’t believe him, but she had booked him to speak at the Valdai Discussion Club in Sochi where, she said, he met with people from the Russian think tank Russian International Affairs Council. She said he had a goal to “build a list of Russian contacts and policy-shapers,” according to the Post.


I think someone is having a laugh at our expense




posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 11:20 AM
link   
a reply to: raymundoko

OK, so your OP is more credible than Mueller, and Papadobopoulos has already pled guilty...Hmmmm.

If there's a crime, there's a crime. You don't plea guilty if you didn't do the crime, or another more serious crime.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 11:22 AM
link   
a reply to: kelbtalfenek

What exactly do you think Pap's pled guilty to?

Edit Here, I will help you:


Papadopoulos pleaded guilty on Oct. 5 to one count of lying to FBI agents about the nature of his interactions with "foreign nationals" who he thought had close connections to senior Russian government officials.


It's looking more and more like this guy was a nobody who wanted to be a somebody.
edit on 1-11-2017 by raymundoko because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 11:23 AM
link   

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: raymundoko

OK, so your OP is more credible than Mueller, and Papadobopoulos has already pled guilty...Hmmmm.

If there's a crime, there's a crime. You don't plea guilty if you didn't do the crime, or another more serious crime.


He plead guilty to a process crime of lying.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 11:27 AM
link   
In the world of political fish, Papadopolous is barely in the larval stage of development. The little that can be found about him show him to be self aggrandizing and forgettable.

Hardly much of anything in the scheme of things and not very likely to produce anything with real oomph in regards to damaging Russian influence in the 2016 election cycle.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 11:36 AM
link   

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
In the world of political fish, Papadopolous is barely in the larval stage of development. The little that can be found about him show him to be self aggrandizing and forgettable.

Hardly much of anything in the scheme of things and not very likely to produce anything with real oomph in regards to damaging Russian influence in the 2016 election cycle.


Who brought Nixon down? An aid?



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 11:36 AM
link   
a reply to: raymundoko

Your title is entirely false and deliberately misleading. London Centre of International Law Practice is not a "college" and Papadopolous was working for the organization as was Misfud.

How Did George Papadopoulos End Up On The Trump Campaign?



Asked about who at Hudson recommended Papadopoulos to the Carson campaign, Stewart declined to comment, saying that “it would be inappropriate for us to comment on legal proceedings of which we have no knowledge and to which we are not a party.”

After leaving the Carson campaign, Papadopoulos claims to have worked as a director for the London Centre of International Law Practice from Febuary 2016 to April 2016. He officially joined the Trump campaign in the interim, on March 21, 2016. That was the day that Trump announced his foreign policy team in an interview with The Washington Post.

Papadopoulos was told that he would be brought on to the Trump campaign on March 6, 2016, according to a statement of offense released on Monday by Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office. The document, filed in federal court in Washington, D.C., states that Papadopoulos was told by an unnamed campaign supervisor that a top foreign policy focus on the campaign would be repairing relations between the U.S. and Russia.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 11:36 AM
link   
being incompetent at crimes doesn't make you not guilty...



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 11:39 AM
link   

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
In the world of political fish, Papadopolous is barely in the larval stage of development. The little that can be found about him show him to be self aggrandizing and forgettable.

Hardly much of anything in the scheme of things and not very likely to produce anything with real oomph in regards to damaging Russian influence in the 2016 election cycle.


The most interesting aspects of Papadopolous's involvement imo are this female Russian national and the fact that Clovis gave him a green light to arrange/attend meetings.

It looks like basically Misfud facilitated the meeting of this Russian woman and Papadopolous and if anyone were an actual agent of the Russian government, it would have been her.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 11:49 AM
link   
Here, I dug up some info on Papadopoulos because, based on Trump's track record with the truth, I don't trust him or his team when they say that Papadopoulos was a low-level member of his campaign.


The fact that Papadopoulos was working for the campaign became widely known on March 21, 2016, when the campaign, for the first time, released the names of its foreign policy advisers.

Trump revealed the list of five advisers -- Keith Kellogg, Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Walid Phares and Joseph Schmitz -- in a meeting with editors and reporters at the Washington Post.

In that meeting, he called Papadopoulos an "excellent guy."


I would recommend reading the rest of the article to get an idea of how important Papadopoulos was or wasn't. It seems like the incident in the quotes above was the highlight of his work with Trump.

There is definitely proof (in his e-mails) that Papadopoulos was trying to set up meetings between Trump's campaign and the Russians. It seems like he was almost obsessed with the idea. However, there is some evidence that people at the top of Trump's campaign urged caution when it came to meeting with the Russians.


We can’t independently confirm the Post’s reporting, but its report suggests that several senior campaign officials urged caution about meeting with Russians, so that the campaign didn’t embarrass itself or run afoul of legal restrictions.

For instance, the Post reported that when Papadopoulos sent an an email about meeting with Russia to Paul Manafort, the new campaign chair, "Manafort reacted coolly, forwarding the email to his associate Rick Gates, with a note, ‘We need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips.’"

Ultimately, no meeting occurred.


Politifact: How important was George Papadopoulos on Donald Trump's foreign-policy team?

It seems to me that Papadopoulos was important enough to be one of Trump's 5 top foreign policy advisors, and be named personally by Trump. Hardly a coffee boy. However, I do not think he was a senior member of the campaign.
edit on 01amWed, 01 Nov 2017 11:51:48 -0500kbamkAmerica/Chicago by darkbake because: (no reason given)

edit on 01amWed, 01 Nov 2017 11:52:13 -0500kbamkAmerica/Chicago by darkbake because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 12:04 PM
link   
Good thing the Trump Campaign had this guy pegged as an implant right away.

The evidence gathered was gold.




posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 12:42 PM
link   
a reply to: xuenchen

An implant? Some kind of undercover agent by opposing forces?



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 12:45 PM
link   
a reply to: xuenchen Do you have any proof of this or is that just another fall back of yours? You seem to have alot of those. Go to bed your drunk dude.


edit on 2/19/2013 by Allaroundyou because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 12:49 PM
link   
a reply to: raymundoko




It's looking more and more like this guy was a nobody who wanted to be a somebody.
Kind of makes you wonder why a nothing burger lier was even in the mix of the narrative . I wonder if any people involved may have broken a nail ...



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 12:49 PM
link   

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
In the world of political fish, Papadopolous is barely in the larval stage of development. The little that can be found about him show him to be self aggrandizing and forgettable.

Hardly much of anything in the scheme of things and not very likely to produce anything with real oomph in regards to damaging Russian influence in the 2016 election cycle.


Well, Trump's own analysis of Papadopoulos was good then bad!


But you are right, Papadopoulos seems to be yet another Trump guy with a criminal bent.
As for Professor Mifsud, the paper's story is somewhat contradictory, since it says,"We are academics. We work closely with everybody.”
while later it says, '“absolutely no contact” with the Russian government and was instead just an academic who didn’t even speak Russian.'
Then later in the article it says Papadopoulis did in fact attend a meeting in Russia of the Russian think tank Russian International Affairs Council...which is a fully backed initiative of the Russian government, and it would not be hard to conclude that there are some members of the Russian strategic intelligence on that council, who were responsible for interfering with the election, and did back Trump for some time until very late on, when it looked like Hillary was going to win.
As for the OP heading, 'Papadopoulos met "Professor", Joseph Mifsud, while in college' that was already known, not something secret.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 01:02 PM
link   
a reply to: theantediluvian

Did you misread the title? It says they met while he was in college....I met tons of people while I was in college, including people who didn't go to college with me. The article (or rather one of the articles referenced within) said that Pap's supposedly met the professor for the first time while he was in College in London, and that they had been friends on Facebook ever since.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 01:06 PM
link   
He wasn't convicted of having a "Russia connection" ... he was convicted of perjury. These continual efforts to mislead which merely echo the White House's denials just make it look like there's more to discover.

Trump is on record stating that the man was a highly qualified advisor. Now, he was barely with the campaign.

Makes one wonder what the truth is.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 01:32 PM
link   

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: raymundoko

OK, so your OP is more credible than Mueller, and Papadobopoulos has already pled guilty...Hmmmm.

.


Well if you want to believe the man guilty of lying to the FBI is actually trustworthy in his other statements, by all means trust him. Myself, trusting statements from someone like that, requires a whole container of salt.

I need to watch my blood pressure



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 01:35 PM
link   
a reply to: pavil

That is not a real representation of reality unless you expect someone to incriminate themselves.

He obviously lied to either protect others or himself. Once you give an out like hey wear a wire and we will lesson the charge it's a different ballgame.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 01:46 PM
link   

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: pavil

That is not a real representation of reality unless you expect someone to incriminate themselves.

He obviously lied to either protect others or himself. Once you give an out like hey wear a wire and we will lesson the charge it's a different ballgame.


One of my favorite quotes:

"Ball don't lie." - Rasheed Wallace.

Truth will come out. Then we can debate. Right now we don't have all the info.



new topics

top topics



 
13
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join