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REPORT: Hillary Set Up Don Jr.’s Trump Tower Meeting

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posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 06:33 AM
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originally posted by: abago71
a reply to: Sillyolme
Would you agree that one of those four indictments may be for Tony Podesta?

Would you agree that maybe it's not? Why are Trump supporters continuing to speculate wildly in the face of rapidly moving events? So far, one Trump campaigner has plead guilty, and another has been shown to have been engaged in laundering illegal Russian money while working on the campaign.




posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 07:16 AM
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originally posted by: fiverx313
i have read that left-wingers are more likely to fact-check and be suspicious of news that seems too good to be true.



Recent history certainly does not support this.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 07:20 AM
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originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner

originally posted by: fiverx313
i have read that left-wingers are more likely to fact-check and be suspicious of news that seems too good to be true.



Recent history certainly does not support this.


On the contrary, it confirms it. Trump supporters still believe in #pizzagate; hardly anyone ever believed in "peegate."



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 07:33 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner

originally posted by: fiverx313
i have read that left-wingers are more likely to fact-check and be suspicious of news that seems too good to be true.



Recent history certainly does not support this.


On the contrary, it confirms it. Trump supporters still believe in #pizzagate; hardly anyone ever believed in "peegate."


What do right-wing theories have to with left-wing integrity?



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 07:51 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Swills

Your opinion is valuable.

Makes many people think the possibility is better than just a speculation.

I bet this comes out in a soon to be announced indictment.






Yea, some how I bet this is all tied up with the tragic terrorist attack in NYC
anything to take the heat off of that nut bag Hillary. I thank GOD every single day
that corrupt POS is not in office.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 07:52 AM
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a reply to: DJW001
Yes I would agree. It could be Kushner, Don Jr, Flynn. It could be Podesta. Isn't speculating wildly what most do on this site?

With The Podesta group and Mercury being identified as companies A & B, and Tony Podesta stepping down, that makes me lean towards Podesta being a prime candidate.

Oh, thanks for telling me which side I'm on. I forgot that I voted Democrat.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 08:24 AM
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originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner

originally posted by: fiverx313
i have read that left-wingers are more likely to fact-check and be suspicious of news that seems too good to be true.



Recent history certainly does not support this.


On the contrary, it confirms it. Trump supporters still believe in #pizzagate; hardly anyone ever believed in "peegate."


What do right-wing theories have to with left-wing integrity?

The right is more inclined to believe implausible theories than the left? Wasn't that the point?
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posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 08:25 AM
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a reply to: abago71

A prime candidate for what, exactly?



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 08:35 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

when you say something long enough it becomes Truth.
the op became fact by page 2 and was discussed as such thereafter.

I just want the old ats back...



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 08:40 AM
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originally posted by: Kettu

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Kettu


So far, the Trump family have been exonerated, and proven to be right, over and over, because (drumroll!)...they haven't done anything wrong.


Please provide a reliable source where the Trump family has been exonerated. No tax returns, lying on FEC filings, yeah they are innocent.


He/she can't. It's just a distraction technique designed to sidestep the issue and draw attention off the actual issue. It's part of an entire strategy outlined by Karl Rove, the conservative strategist.

Read through them, notice how many of them are being used right now by our "conservative friends" on ATS?

Tactics for Effective Conservative Blogging - Karl Rove




Engage
Demand an elaborate, time-consuming comparison / analysis between your position and theirs.

Entangle
Insist that the Liberal put their posts in their own words. That will consume the most time and effort for the Liberal poster. They will be unable to spread numerous points on numerous blogs if you have them occupied. Allowing a Liberal to post a web link is too quick and efficient for them. Tie them up. We are going for delay of game here.

Demoralize
Dismiss their narrative as rubbish immediately. Do not even read it. Once the Liberal goes through the trouble to research, gather, collate, compose and write their narrative your job is to discredit it. Make it obvious you tossed their labor-intensive narrative aside like garbage. This will have the effect of demoralizing the Liberal poster. It will make them unwilling to expend the effort again, and for us, that is a net win.

Attack
Attack the source. Any Liberal website or information source must be marginalized, trivialized and discounted. Let the blogosphere know that Truthout.org, thinkprogress.org, the nation and moveon.org are Liberal rubbish propaganda. Discredit Liberal sources of information whenever possible.

Confuse
Challenge the Liberal position with questions, always questions. The questions need not be relevant. The goal is to knock the Liberal poster off their game, and seize control of the narrative. Once you have control you can direct the narrative to where you want it to go, which is always away from letting the Liberal make their point. Conversely, do not respond to their leading questions. Don't rise to their bait.

Contain
Your job is to prevent the presentation and spread of Liberal viewpoints. Do anything you must do to prevent a Liberal poster from presenting a well-reasoned argument or starting a civil discussion. Don't allow a Liberal to present their dogma unchallenged EVER.

Intimidate
Taunt the Liberals. If you find yourself in a debate with a Liberal where you are losing a fact-based argument then call them a name to derail their diatribe. Remember your goal is to prevent a meaningful exchange of views and ideas which may portray Liberalism in a positive light. Your goal as a conservative blogger is to stop the spread and advance of the Liberal agenda. Play upon any identifiable idiosyncrasies, character flaws, physical traits, names, to their disadvantage. Monitor other posts for vulnerabilities you can exploit. Stay on the offensive with Liberal wimps. Don't let up.

Insult their Movement
Assign as many character and moral flaws to Liberals as you can. You must portray Liberals as weak, vacillating, indecisive, amoral, baby killers, unpatriotic, effete snobs, elitists, Leftists, Commies, sense of entitlement, promiscuous, union lovers, tax raisers, Welfare Queens, Socialists, lazy, sex-obsessed, druggies, Jesus haters, moochers, troop hater,.etc. Always use these negative epithets when referring to, or describing Liberals / democrats.

Deceive
Identify yourself as a moderate, centrist or independent. It will also cause Liberals to lower their guard a bit, which gives you an effective opening. This may also have the effect of aligning conservative viewpoints with the real moderates we are attempting to reach. It may serve to influence some moderates over to the Republican side.

Patriotism
Always claim the high ground of pro-military, low taxes, strong defense, morality and religion. We own those virtues. Learn how to exploit them when debating

Demean
Always refer to the other side as Liberals, Lefty Liberals, Libbies. Never assign them the status of a bona-fide political party. Hang Liberalism around their neck like a burning tire. Make Liberalism appear as a moral turpitude or a character flaw. They are NEVER, NEVER to be referred to as the Democratic Party. At best it is the democrat party. Never assign them respect.

Opportunity
Be alert for ways to insert our catch phrases into your narrative. You will receive your daily list of talking points and topics that we want you to cover. Consistent, persistent repetition and inculcation will drive our talking points home and so will neuro-linguistic programming. Stick with it and our talking points will become truth. If they debunk your talking point, ignore it, and move on as if you didn't hear it.


Recognize some of that behavior from our "conservative friends"




thanks for posting.

truth doesn't matter... denying ignorance doesn't matter... wow.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 08:41 AM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: DJW001

when you say something long enough it becomes Truth.
the op became fact by page 2 and was discussed as such thereafter.

I just want the old ats back...


That is how forum ganging works. Trolls coordinate their postings to reinforce the talking points and squeeze out opposing or objective points of view. When you trace the source of the story back it goes in circles: one blog cites another, until finally the unnamed informant disappears in a puff of smoke.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: DJW001
Prime candidate for possible indictment. Sorry. I should have clarified that.

NYT: Under Mueller Scrutiny, Democratic Donor Tony Podesta Resigns From Lobbying Firm
This from the New York Times.


The firm, the Podesta Group, has lost clients as it has been increasingly drawn into the investigation by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III. On Monday, the Podesta Group and another company with which it had worked, Mercury Public Affairs, were referenced — though not by name — in an indictment of two former Trump campaign officials, Paul Manafort and Rick Gates.


Drawn into the investigation.


No charges have been brought against Mr. Podesta or officials from the Podesta Group or Mercury. But both firms have been subpoenaed for records and testimony about their work on behalf of a client referred to them in 2012 by Mr. Manafort and Mr. Gates, the European Center for a Modern Ukraine, a nonprofit group based in Brussels.


Both firms have been subpoenaed.


The indictment was the subject of intense interest on K Street, where the Justice Department’s enforcement of the foreign lobbying requirements under the Foreign Agents Registration Act is widely seen as toothless. The charges against Mr. Manafort and Mr. Gates that are related to the act, coming as powerful members of Congress are demanding more enforcement of the law, were seen by some as a shot across the bow of Washington lobbyists.


Demanding more enforcement of the law.


But both firms were compelled this year to belatedly — and, in the case of Mercury, begrudgingly — register under the act, after their activities came under scrutiny from the Justice Department.


Belatedly.

So from this I get the impression that Tony Podesta may be indicted. They failed to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 10:22 AM
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F*ck you! I don't even have to read this garbage.

Nothing Hillary did can make a grown a$$ 39 year old man and business mogul read his emails, agree to a meeting with Russians who have dirt on Hillary Clinton on behalf of the Russian government and go to that meeting with other members of Trump's campaign.

Your alternative facts suck! What, did Hillary Clinton take over Donald Jr's free will. She's a retired grandma, she lost, you people really need to stop obsessing about her.

Every time Trump does anything all we hear is "boo hoo
BUT HILLARY!!"

All these so called scandals that any journalist or lawyer worth their salt will tell you is BS. You people need help, trying to destroy the political career of someone who's already done. It's like the whole Trump base is beating a dead horse still thinking it's alive.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 10:45 AM
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originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: proximo
a reply to: xuenchen

That isn't much of a source, but this is exactly the conclusion I came to. It makes to much sense when someone contacts Trump JR offering info from the Russians then having no info that this was actually a honeypot.

Now that we know the lawyer had connections to Fusion GPS, as Pappadapolous also apparently did and he was also trying to arrange meetings with Russia, and Hillary and the DNC were paying them, it is obvious they were trying to frame Trump with this Russian nonsense.

The real question is will the majority of the public ever learn this - or will the info be successfully suppressed from the masses like all the Clinton scandals before.



Same with me.

I thought it was a setup too.

I wouldn't be surprised if they squash it, but there is always hope someone will put 2 and 2 together and follow up on it.






I don't believe this narrative, but let's pretend for a moment that it was true - Trump Jr & Team Trump were set up!!

What would an honest campaign do with this information? The answer is simple. They would NOT take the meeting, and they would also inform the FBI that Russia had sent an agent to try and coordinate with their campaign.

OR if they took the meeting, being unsure what it was, they would immediately inform the FBI afterwards and provide full notes and interviews, etc, to help the FBI deal with this incursion on our election.




posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 10:51 AM
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a reply to: AboveBoard

Without the meeting, they couldn't gather evidence to give to the FBI.

Think about that for a minute.




posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: AboveBoard

Without the meeting, they couldn't gather evidence to give to the FBI.

Think about that for a minute.




The entire premise is currently in the "right wing wishful thinking PLEASE PLEASE let it be Hillary" category. I will "think about that" seriously when "serious" facts to demonstrate it are presented. Otherwise it's born of the "Anti-Hillary Religion."



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 10:55 AM
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I'd bet one is for Sam Clovis and it's going to be a bit harder for trump to claim "I hardly knew the guy" since he's up for a cabinet position and his appointment hearing is scheduled for next week I think.
I bet trump withdraws his offer rather than let this man answer questions about what he spoke to Mueller about. I bet that notice comes on Friday. Just a hunch...



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 11:03 AM
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I think all of us long time, as well as new members, have to face the fact that ATS is being used as a propaganda site by foreign entities, to say otherwise is either deceitful or naïve.
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posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner

He said fact check not moral check.



posted on Nov, 1 2017 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: starlitestarbrite

You'd think she was the way trump keeps going after her. He's obsessed. He's still running against her a year into his presidency. He's such a pathetic little sop.




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