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After two years of chasing fires and arsonists, a St. Clair Shores man is in the hot seat himself for allegedly crossing the line at a fire scene: detaining a woman in Detroit because she had set a house ablaze.
Detroit arson investigators believe the vigilante held the woman at the scene at gunpoint. Investigators raided his house Tuesday morning, seizing his car and computer as part of a broader probe. But the man -- amateur fire photographer Alex Haggart -- told the Free Press that he had no real weapon, only a paintball gun in his car, and that he never used it.
The investigation into Haggart's actions comes as the Detroit Fire Department battles a rash of arsons that have hit the 48205 ZIP code in recent months.
Chief of Fire Investigations Pat McNulty said the area has seen an uptick in arsons, though he didn't have exact numbers. He noted that the woman Haggart detained was the arsonist but that his behavior may have gone too far.
United States
In the United States a private person may arrest another, without a warrant, for a crime occurring in their presence. For which crimes this is permitted may vary state by state, depending on local law.
Common law
Most states have codified the common law rule that a warrantless arrest may be made by a private person for a felony, misdemeanor or "breach of peace".[56] A breach of peace covers a multitude of violations in which the Supreme Court has even included a misdemeanor seatbelt violation punishable only by a fine. The term historically included theft, "nightwalking", prostitution and playing card and dice games.[57]
State statutes
California Penal Code section 837 is a good example of this codification:
837. A private person may arrest another:
For a public offense committed or attempted in his/her presence.
When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence.
When a felony has been in fact committed, and he or she has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.
"Public offense" is read similarly as breach of peace in this case and includes felonies, misdemeanors and infractions.[58][59] Note that there is generally no provision for an investigative detention by a private person under the law. With certain exceptions (see below) an arrest must be made. "Holding them until the police get there", is simply a form of arrest. The officer is accepting the arrest and processing the prisoner on behalf of the private person.[60]
In the case of felonies, a private person may make an arrest for a felony occurring outside their presence but the rule is that a felony must have, in fact, been committed. For example, imagine a suspect has been seen on surveillance video vandalizing a building to the extent that the arrestor believes it rises to a felony due to the damage. If they find the suspect and make the arrest but it later turns out that it was misdemeanor damage, the arrestor is liable for false arrest because a felony had not, in fact, been committed.
Because most states have codified their arrest laws, there are many variations. For example, in Pennsylvania, the courts have been clear that a citizen cannot make an arrest for a "summary offense".[61] In North Carolina, there is no de jure "citizens' arrest". Although it is essentially the same, North Carolina law refers to it as a "detention".[62]
Other states seem to allow only arrests in cases of felonies but court decisions have ruled more broadly. For example in Virginia, the statute appears to only permit warrantless arrests by officers listed in the Code.[63] However Virginia courts have upheld warrantless arrests by citizens for misdemeanors.[64]
Use of force
In general, a private person is justified in using non-deadly force upon another if they reasonably believe that: (1) such other person is committing a felony, or a misdemeanor amounting to a breach of the peace; and (2) the force used is necessary to prevent further commission of the offense and to apprehend the offender. The force must be reasonable under the circumstances to restrain the individual arrested. This includes the nature of the offense and the amount of force required to overcome resistance.[65][66]
Shopkeeper's (merchant's) privilege
In some states of the United States, the courts recognize a common law, shopkeeper's privilege, under which a shopkeeper is allowed to detain a suspected shoplifter on store property for a reasonable period of time, so long as the shopkeeper has cause to believe that the person detained in fact committed, or attempted to commit, theft of store property. The purpose of this detention is to recover the property and make an arrest if the merchant desires.[67]
Differing liability from police
Private persons are occasionally granted immunity from civil or criminal liability, like the police are, when arresting others.[68] While the powers to arrest are similar, police are entitled to mistake of fact in most cases, while citizens can be held to a stricter liability depending on the individual state. Police can also detain anyone upon reasonable suspicion.[69]
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
The law is the law. You don't get the right to violate the law just so you can issue a citizen's arrest. This is open and shut. Despite what superhero comics might suggest vigilantism is HIGHLY frowned upon by law enforcement.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
The law is the law. You don't get the right to violate the law just so you can issue a citizen's arrest. This is open and shut. Despite what superhero comics might suggest vigilantism is HIGHLY frowned upon by law enforcement.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
The law is the law. You don't get the right to violate the law just so you can issue a citizen's arrest. This is open and shut. Despite what superhero comics might suggest vigilantism is HIGHLY frowned upon by law enforcement.
Basically if this guy hadn't held this woman up with a firearm he would have been in the clear. I'm not sure why people are trying to blame this situation on corruption though.
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
The law is the law. You don't get the right to violate the law just so you can issue a citizen's arrest. This is open and shut. Despite what superhero comics might suggest vigilantism is HIGHLY frowned upon by law enforcement.
You're right.
Far better to let her go so she can go burn something else down.
Hey! Maybe this time it'll be a home with a nice family inside and someone will die.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: strongfp
Because citizens have rights and an untrained civilian could easily violate those rights without knowing it which could cause the case to be thrown out of court.
originally posted by: strongfp
So a photographer filming a woman burning a house(s) down isn't justifiable for citizens arrest?
Don't know how deep corruption runs in Detroit, but I am pretty sure he has phone records of him calling 911. And no-one came or answered.
If you witness a crime and you are able bodied to make the arrest I'd say it's grounds for making a citizens arrest.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: strongfp
So a photographer filming a woman burning a house(s) down isn't justifiable for citizens arrest?
Don't know how deep corruption runs in Detroit, but I am pretty sure he has phone records of him calling 911. And no-one came or answered.
If you witness a crime and you are able bodied to make the arrest I'd say it's grounds for making a citizens arrest.
I didn't say he wasn't able to make a citizen's arrest. I'm saying he was arrested as well because he allegedly used a firearm to do it with. Stop twisting my words.