More indictments guaranteed....back to 2006!

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Looks like Papadopoulos has been an informant since July 27th. That could be a problem for Trump.

He's the one mentioned in the indictment that Manafort and Gates essentially coerced to lie. Doesn't have anything to do with Trump. Their dealings go back to 2006, with the bulk from 2006-2014....Trump wasn't even a thought back then.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Painterz
... I suspect a lot of you are going to be disappointed.


Remember the Starr investigation went over everything Clinton related with a fine toothed comb and found nothing to even bring charges on, let alone secure a conviction?


The benghazi thing was thoroughly investigated. Congressional Republicans spent $7m on 33 separate hearings over four years. They found zero evidence of criminal wrong doing.


The email thing, no charges.


Does this mean the Clintons are innocent? No. Does it mean no evidence has been found despite multiple high level investigations, yes.


I'd be very surprised if this current investigation goes in their direction. This is all Trump's swamp I'm afraid folks.

Let me know when you can connect Trump back to 2006 political lobbying and Ukraine.

This is all going towards the Dems and mostly the Podesta group...after all the Podesta group did recently have to revise it's filings as well....gee...wonder why that suddenly came up....has to be coincidence right?

www.politico.com...

Whoops!

Lol, you have no idea where this is going. Nobody but the special council does.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

He was arrested in July and then used as an informant. Put back in the field.

I would be ready for a big let down. Your going to be deflecting a lot if you think this won't get on trump's administration.

If it's bipartisan that is fantastic. This is day 1. You have .01percent of the info.

20. As part of the scheme, in February 2012, MANAFORT and GATES solicited two
Washington, D.C., ?rms (Company A and Company B) to lobby in the United States on behalf of
Yanukovych, the Party of Regions, and the Government of Ukraine. For instance, GATES wrote
to Company A that it would be ?representing the Government of Ukraine in [Washington,]

21. MANAFORT repeatedly communicated in person and in writing with Yanukovych, and GATES passed on directions to Company A and Company B. For instance, MANAFORT wrote
Yanukovych a memorandum dated April 8, 2012, in which he provided Yanukovych an update on
the lobbying firms? activities ?since the inception of the project a few weeks ago. It is my intention
to provide you with a weekly update moving forward.? Toward the end of that first year, in
November 2012, GATES wrote to Company A and Company that the ?rms needed to prepare
an assessment of their past and prospective lobbying efforts so the ?President? could be briefed by
?Paul? ?on what Ukraine has done well and what it can do better as we move into 2013

22. At the direction of MANAFORT and GATES, Company A and Company engaged in
extensive lobbying. Among other things, they lobbied multiple Members of Congress and their
staffs about Ukraine sanctions, the validity of Ukraine elections, and the propriety of
Yanukovych?s imprisoning his presidential rival, Yulia Tymoshenko (who had served as Ukraine
President prior to Yanukovych).

www.justice.gov...

Sure there arc charges of money laundering and what have, and dont get me wrong, these are crimes that they should be punished for.

But here is the meat about collusion.

Manfort and Gates were working on behalf of the pro russian Ukranians, and was seeking to get influence for them in the US.

So they approach to firms, the indictment calls the Company A and Company B.

Who were these companies. Well we know for a fact that Manafort approached and worked with the Podesta group in 2012.

The European Centre for a Modern Ukraine was formed in 2012 by three senior members of the Party of Regions, a pro-Russia party led by President Viktor Yanukovych and advised by Manafort.
At the time, Ukraine's government faced rebuke by the Obama administration and Congress for jailing political opponents.

The center, based in Brussels, said its mission was to strengthen Ukraine's relations with the West.

The Podesta Group said in the 2012 lobbying disclosures that the center "provides information about Ukraine to governments, business and other interested parties." Podesta lobbyists were working on "issues pertaining to relations between Ukraine and the United States."

And we know that the Podesta group failed to disclose its work for a foreign agents.

One of Washington's most powerful lobbying firms did not disclose the wide extent of its lucrative political work for a Ukrainian group tied to both onetime Trump adviser Paul Manafort and to pro-Russian politicians, new records show.

The firm, the Podesta Group, said nothing in a 2012 lobbying report to Congress about at least 32 meetings, emails and other communications it had with the State Department, at a time when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was scrutinizing Ukraine's upcoming election, records show.

www.cnn.com...

Ig group A or B are the Poidesta group, it looks like there may well be charges against them soon. We know that Group A and B lobbied for the pro russian Ukranians just like Manafort. We know the Podestas did not properly disclose there dealings.

So if they are group A or B, which I think is very likely, this indictment shows that they knowingly lobbied for pro russsian ukranians, just like Manafort, and they din not disclose it.

Even if charges aren't filed, this shows that at the very least the Podesta group (if they are one of these geroups) was working with manafort to push for pro russian positions.

This is the best evidence of actual russian collusion or malfeasance that we have.

Nothing in the indictment seems to connect Trump in any way. This isnt to say its not coming, but at this point its not there.

But we do have pretty good evidence that company A and B broke the law and worked for russia, and we have good evidence that one of those may be the Podesta group.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Painterz
... I suspect a lot of you are going to be disappointed.


Remember the Starr investigation went over everything Clinton related with a fine toothed comb and found nothing to even bring charges on, let alone secure a conviction?


The benghazi thing was thoroughly investigated. Congressional Republicans spent $7m on 33 separate hearings over four years. They found zero evidence of criminal wrong doing.


The email thing, no charges.


Does this mean the Clintons are innocent? No. Does it mean no evidence has been found despite multiple high level investigations, yes.


I'd be very surprised if this current investigation goes in their direction. This is all Trump's swamp I'm afraid folks.

Let me know when you can connect Trump back to 2006 political lobbying and Ukraine.

This is all going towards the Dems and mostly the Podesta group...after all the Podesta group did recently have to revise it's filings as well....gee...wonder why that suddenly came up....has to be coincidence right?

www.politico.com...

Whoops!

Lol, you have no idea where this is going. Nobody but the special council does.

You are correct...I don't. But it is more likely to go back to anyone other than Trump at this point. Now had the indictment been just for 2016/2017, I would be saying something totally different.

The fact it goes back to 2006 and has specific wording around the Ukraine and Russia, the fact the Podesta Group recently filed new disclosures going back to Manafort, etc...well...those dots connect very well.

a reply to: Grambler

We can only hope that hypocrisy of the party's is displayed in this.

It's great for the independents who are sick of these liars.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

It's more likely based on practically no data available to you.

It's day 1.

originally posted by: Grambler

20. As part of the scheme, in February 2012, MANAFORT and GATES solicited two
Washington, D.C., ?rms (Company A and Company B) to lobby in the United States on behalf of
Yanukovych, the Party of Regions, and the Government of Ukraine. For instance, GATES wrote
to Company A that it would be ?representing the Government of Ukraine in [Washington,]

21. MANAFORT repeatedly communicated in person and in writing with Yanukovych, and GATES passed on directions to Company A and Company B. For instance, MANAFORT wrote
Yanukovych a memorandum dated April 8, 2012, in which he provided Yanukovych an update on
the lobbying firms? activities ?since the inception of the project a few weeks ago. It is my intention
to provide you with a weekly update moving forward.? Toward the end of that first year, in
November 2012, GATES wrote to Company A and Company that the ?rms needed to prepare
an assessment of their past and prospective lobbying efforts so the ?President? could be briefed by
?Paul? ?on what Ukraine has done well and what it can do better as we move into 2013

22. At the direction of MANAFORT and GATES, Company A and Company engaged in
extensive lobbying. Among other things, they lobbied multiple Members of Congress and their
staffs about Ukraine sanctions, the validity of Ukraine elections, and the propriety of
Yanukovych?s imprisoning his presidential rival, Yulia Tymoshenko (who had served as Ukraine
President prior to Yanukovych).

www.justice.gov...

Sure there arc charges of money laundering and what have, and dont get me wrong, these are crimes that they should be punished for.

But here is the meat about collusion.

Manfort and Gates were working on behalf of the pro russian Ukranians, and was seeking to get influence for them in the US.

So they approach to firms, the indictment calls the Company A and Company B.

Who were these companies. Well we know for a fact that Manafort approached and worked with the Podesta group in 2012.

The European Centre for a Modern Ukraine was formed in 2012 by three senior members of the Party of Regions, a pro-Russia party led by President Viktor Yanukovych and advised by Manafort.
At the time, Ukraine's government faced rebuke by the Obama administration and Congress for jailing political opponents.

The center, based in Brussels, said its mission was to strengthen Ukraine's relations with the West.

The Podesta Group said in the 2012 lobbying disclosures that the center "provides information about Ukraine to governments, business and other interested parties." Podesta lobbyists were working on "issues pertaining to relations between Ukraine and the United States."

And we know that the Podesta group failed to disclose its work for a foreign agents.

One of Washington's most powerful lobbying firms did not disclose the wide extent of its lucrative political work for a Ukrainian group tied to both onetime Trump adviser Paul Manafort and to pro-Russian politicians, new records show.

The firm, the Podesta Group, said nothing in a 2012 lobbying report to Congress about at least 32 meetings, emails and other communications it had with the State Department, at a time when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was scrutinizing Ukraine's upcoming election, records show.

www.cnn.com...

Ig group A or B are the Poidesta group, it looks like there may well be charges against them soon. We know that Group A and B lobbied for the pro russian Ukranians just like Manafort. We know the Podestas did not properly disclose there dealings.

So if they are group A or B, which I think is very likely, this indictment shows that they knowingly lobbied for pro russsian ukranians, just like Manafort, and they din not disclose it.

Even if charges aren't filed, this shows that at the very least the Podesta group (if they are one of these geroups) was working with manafort to push for pro russian positions.

This is the best evidence of actual russian collusion or malfeasance that we have.

Nothing in the indictment seems to connect Trump in any way. This isnt to say its not coming, but at this point its not there.

But we do have pretty good evidence that company A and B broke the law and worked for russia, and we have good evidence that one of those may be the Podesta group.

Very well broken down. What's sad is others are still in denial.

The fact the Podesta group had to refile disclosures specifically related to Manafort makes it glaringly obvious where this is going and who is one of the group's in question.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Vasa Croe

It's more likely based on practically no data available to you.

It's day 1.

I'll go with it's based on data in the Indictment which is publicly available..

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Again false. Nothing is glaringly obvious.

Perhaps you don't understand how prosecutors go about their business?

The best result for America would be this crosses party lines. Get them all.

Trump hired these guys right?

a reply to: Throes

The first unsealed indictments on day one.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Many, many more to come hopefully.

Would be interesting to see just how deep this rabbit hole goes, and who is hiding inside of it.

Go Team Mueller. Lock 'em all up. Left, Right, Center...hold them accountable.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Can you imagine the meeting with Hillary, Obama, and Bush? "Perhaps this whole "Russia" thing we tried to pin on Trump wasn't such a good idea....."

originally posted by: luthier

Trump hired these guys right?

Um, yea, in 2016. Try to keep up, this goes a bit beyond "Trump".