Manafort Charged by FBI

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: soberbacchus

What does any of this have to do with Russian influence into the 2016 election cycle?

Donald Trump's Campaign Manager and Deputy Campaign Manager have been charged with Laundering Money for a corrupt ex-dictator that works for and is currently being sheltered by Putin. They lied to the FBI about it in 2016.

George Papadoplous, "young George" as Trump called him, spent the better part of the campaign meeting with Russian Officials and working to establish cooperation with the Russians, complete with hacked emails discussed in April.

No worries. Look away.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Not alot according to the msm now...
www.usatoday.com...
The USA today is pretty mainstream.

There is no proof that the Trump campaign was in cahoots with the Kremlin.

The alleged crimes behind Monday’s indictments date back as many as 11 years and have almost nothing to do with the 2016 election. It is also noteworthy that the charges mirror the very reason Manafort was dismissed from the Trump campaign shortly after the 2016 Republican National Convention. This shows that whatever Manafort was up to, Donald Trump did not condone it.

When the msm is dropping this info something is up.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Donald Trump's Campaign Manager and Deputy Campaign Manager have been charged with Laundering Money for a corrupt ex-dictator that works for and is currently being sheltered by Putin. They lied to the FBI about it in 2016.

Yes, it was lied about in 2016, but when did what was being lied about take place?

As to the other guy, I've done a small scratch and sniff around him. Will post that info in a relevant thread rather than take this one off topic.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: soberbacchus

A lobbyist working for a foreign government and not revealing it or registering as a foreign agent? 

In Manaforts case it has been referred to as treasonous.
In the case of The Podesta Group.... nothingburger.

That seems to be what I am hearing.

One was a "Lobbyist"
The other was leading the campaign for the next President of the United States, was involved in Money Laundering and lied to the FBI repeatedly about his dealings with foreign governments.

Both should get their due, but one of those is not like the other.

Starting to feel sorry for folks whose partisanship has corrupted their thinking so thoroughly they can't tell the difference.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Trump did not want to let Manafort go.
The heat go too hot.

He kept Manaforts right hand man on (Gates - also indicted) as Deputy Campaign Manager. Gates led the RNC and Inauguration and was heavily involved in transition. Essentially the stand-in for Manafort while Manafort looked to assuage the public outcry when his Ukraine dealings went public.

a reply to: soberbacchus

You have a source for this or is it "evidence-free speculation"?

Trump did not want to let Manafort go. The heat go too hot.

www.usatoday.com...

It is also noteworthy that the charges mirror the very reason Manafort was dismissed from the Trump campaign shortly after the 2016 Republican National Convention. This shows that whatever Manafort was up to, Donald Trump did not condone it.

Trump DID fire Manafort upon finding out what he was in to.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: soberbacchus

A lobbyist working for a foreign government and not revealing it or registering as a foreign agent? 

In Manaforts case it has been referred to as treasonous.
In the case of The Podesta Group.... nothingburger.

That seems to be what I am hearing.

One was a "Lobbyist"
The other was leading the campaign for the next President of the United States, was involved in Money Laundering and lied to the FBI repeatedly about his dealings with foreign governments.

Both should get their due, but one of those is not like the other.

Starting to feel sorry for folks whose partisanship has corrupted their thinking so thoroughly they can't tell the difference.

When the lobbyist and Manafort were working together to help 'the enemy', whose presidential campaign was Manafort running?

a reply to: butcherguy

March 28, 2016: Trump campaign hires Manafort to work unpaid.


May 2016: Konstantin Kilimnik, who worked for Manafort in his Kiev political consulting operation since 2005, and Manafort meet.


May 19, 2016: Manafort is named chairman of the Trump campaign.


July 2016: Manafort reportedly offers private briefings on the campaign to Deripaska over email.


Aug. 2, 2016: Manafort and Kilimnik meet at the Grand Havana Club, an upscale cigar bar in Manhattan, to talk “caviar,” which is believed to be a reference to earlier payments made to Manafort by Deripaska.


August 2016: A phone belonging to one of Manafort’s daughters is hacked and hundreds of her text messages are eventually posted on a darknet website. The texts reveal Manafort’s daughters were worried about the work he did in Ukraine and that someone had tried to blackmail him, suggesting they could reveal a secret meeting Manafort had supposedly arranged for Trump in 2012 with a Yanukovych ally.


Aug. 19, 2016: Manafort submits his resignation from the Trump campaign

www.slate.com...

Manafort’s Russia connection: What you need to know about Oleg Deripaska
former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort allegedly offered to provide Deripaska, 49, with personal briefings about the 2016 presidential election less than two weeks before Trump accepted the Republican nomination.

U.S. diplomatic cable disclosed by WikiLeaks said he was "among the 2-3 oligarchs Putin turns to on a regular basis" and "a more-or-less permanent fixture on Putin’s trips abroad."

In 2005, the U.S. State Department revoked a visa issued to Deripaska, possibly because of alleged ties to organized crime, according to reports in the Wall Street Journal. But The Washington Post has reported that Deripaska's connections to Putin, or at least the Russian government, have been sufficiently close that as recently as 2016, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov had lobbied on behalf of Deripaska for the United States to admit him.

www.washingtonpost.com... d1a24

a reply to: soberbacchus

Ahhh, so The Podesta Group and Manafort were working together on this treasonous activity in 2012.
Thank you.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Are you just making stuff up?

For the record , I don't care if Trump is jailed, tried and convicted.
I didn't really vote for him... I voted against Hillary.
She is as dirty as a politician gets, along with her business partner Bill.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: soberbacchus

Are you just making stuff up?

Of course not.

Trump kept Manaforts right hand man on the campaign as a stand in for Manafort.

This is factual. Gates has also been indicted. If Trump thought Manaforts business dealings with Ukraine were an issue, why would he keep Manaforts business partner of 20 years on the campaign and promote him?

Trump also kept in communication with Manafort.

www.politico.com...
www.thedailybeast.com...
www.slate.com...

a reply to: soberbacchus

Changing what you said? Should I quote You?

"Trump did not want to let Manafort go"

In reality, there was no debate. It's universally agreed within the media that Trump let Manafort go as soon as the issue was brought up to him.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: soberbacchus

Changing what you said? Should I quote You?

"Trump did not want to let Manafort You

In reality, there was no debate. It's universally agreed within the media that Trump let Manafort go as soon as the issue was brought up to him.

False.

Do a date search for Manafort and Ukraine 2/1/2016 until 9/1/2016.

The reporting was non-stop for months. Trump didn't care until Manafort got him through the convention, only then did Manafort resign and he left his right hand man Gates there to run things remotely.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Oh Jesus. Manafort was denying stuff that early. Once it was proven he was let go. You really are just making stuff up aren't you?

"Anyway, whether Mr. Trump was aware of any of the specific details in the indictment is beside the point. He certainly must have known what he was getting in hiring Mr. Manafort. A Republican lobbyist and political consultant, Mr. Manafort has a long history of enriching himself working for some of the world's most unscrupulous and dictatorial leaders, including Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines, Jonas Savimbi in Angola and Mobutu Sese Seko of the Democratic Republic of Congo --- not a list most American presidential candidates would want to be on.

More recently, he helped to elect the pro-Kremlin Viktor Yanukovych as president of Ukraine. In 2014, Mr. Yanukovych fled the country for Russia in the face of street protests, opening the door for Mr. Putin to destabilize the country."

"If it's sometimes hard to grasp the Trump's campaign's conspiracy against our democracy, it's due less to lack of proof than to the impudent improbability of its B-movie plotline. Monday's indictments offer evidence of things that Washington already knows but pretends to forget.

Trump, more gangster than entrepreneur, has long surrounded himself with bottom-feeding scum, and for all his nationlist bluster, his campaign was a vehicle for Russian subversion.

We've had a year of recriminations over the Clinton campaign failings, but Trump clawed out his minority victory only with the aid of a foreign intelligence service. On Monday, we finally got indictments, but it's been obvious for a year that his presidency is a crime."

quotes: New York Times - Opinion - Tuesday, October 31, 2017

I have to disagree with the New York Times.

"B-Movie plot line" is far too generous; this ridiculous dumb-show is pure third-rate Reality TV.

a reply to: Erno86

Yup, Manafort is a turd that should've been flushed a long long time ago.

Love the last line of your article:

On Monday, we finally got indictments, but it's been obvious for a year that his presidency is a crime.

That's a very subtle piece of attempted NLP, which many will fall victim to. It's part of how they keep stoking the outrage.

Thing is, Manafort didn't work alone to get Yanukovych elected, did he?

The ECFMU has additionally hired the Podesta Group to lobby in Washington. Tony Podesta, like Weber, is among the top lobbyists in the United States and is close to the Democratic Party and his brother, John Podesta, is a former member of President Bill Clinton's administration, is an advisor to President Barack Obama.

UPI

a reply to: Erno86

So surrounding yourself with people like Manafort proves some sort of guilt?

Well seeing as how he was working with the Podesta group that the democrats and hillary was surrounding herself with in 2012 to 2014 (you know when the indictment says he was peddling russian influence) then surely you agree they too are guilty.

Or are you spinning a b movie plot line.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Shhhh.....

You cant talk about that or your a traitor.