Don't aliens ever design new technology?

or maybe it isnt the shape that needs to be changed... only the inner workings. Maybe the round ufo is the most energy efficient for space travel, and that its the inside parts that have advanced.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
I guess the aliens are big believer in "if it ain't broke don't fix it" when it comes to UFO design.

Well you know the old saying, if you don't really need it, it's not totally necesarry. I'm sure if aliens are so advanced they appreciate overall reliability to. Efficiancey is the key, if you look at it from a certain angle, it does make alot of sense. Why have a car that your gonna have to scrap one day, when you can have one forever?

Or maybe they dont exist in our part of the galaxy and every single sighting ever reported is a fake...

its a possibility

obsidian468,

You noted two kinds of variations in terrestrial aircraft. There are mechanical and cosmetic, though the basic aerodynamical shapes are consistent. In aerodynamics the shape of the craft must be built in accordance to air flow. This allows room for variation in designs.

Now, the mechanics of the UFO's are unknown. We do have a general idea of shapes, the most predominant being disks/saucer. Now, it would be reasonable to assume that the UFO's are not as dependent on airflow as conventional aircraft. We already know that there must be some kind of antigravity propulsion/drive involved from the extreme accelerations of UFO's and abrupt changes of direction.

Therefore, the traditional aerodynamic shapes of the aircraft do not apply. Does this mean it could be any shape? I cannot answer this as I don't know how their propulsion woks. If it is generating some kind of gravitational field and lift is produced by field dynamics. Then, perhaps, an irregular shape would affect the forces and/or fields?

And a uniform shape, such as an equilateral triangle and circular disk, would produce a uniform field. In other words the equivalent of our aerodynamically efficient shape, except there are a limited amount of uniform shapes.

So, let's presume that the circular disk and the equilateral triangle is indeed the ideal shape for a UFO. Now, adding extra bits to it for cosmetic reasons will make them less ideal and less effective. For instance, in the phenomena of sonoluminance where high frequency light is produced by bombarding an in a spherical flask with high intensity sonic waves and then introducing an air bubble and pushing it to the centre, the sphericity of the flask is very crucial, just a 1mm difference will weaken the effect.

You should note the measurements of the Giza Pyramids and how they correspond to the ratio of phi. There is a science of geometry and their effects on channeling energy that is known in the esoteric sciences of the ancients.

If this certainly is the case, as it would seem, then it is part of science and would therefore be universal. This means any culture, anywhere in the universe, would observe the same effects of geometry on energy/vibrations. This would explain why UFO's have common shapes.

Now, I cannot explain the cigar or cylinder shape crafts with the same logic. As they are not uniform shapes. This maybe because they are using a different kind of propulsion, or perhaps the length of the cylinder is related to the height by some ratio.

The UFO's that have been observed do have variations in size and shapes. There are triangles, disks, cylinders, spheres. There are some that use rocket propulsion and some that have inertial propulsions. So, variations do exist.

In the world of avionics, the "saucer"shape depicted in ufo sightings and even ancient art is the most effective form in flight when properly harnessing the properties of "electrogravitation" according to the "Biefeld-Brown Effect". This is a theory made popular by Townsend Brown. In a nutshell, Brown explains how the saucer is condusive to harnessing the 3 elements necessary to perform the most efficient form of flight travel: Electricity, Magnetism and Gravitation

Taken separately, these forces are of no real practical use. Electricity by itself is static electricity and therefore functionless. It will make your hair stand on end, but that is about all.
Magnetism by itself has very few practical applications aside from the magnetic compass, and gravity simply keeps objects and people pinned to the earth.

After 28 years of investigation by Brown into the coupling effect between electricity and gravitation, it was found that for each electromagnetic phenomenon there exists an electrogravitational analogue. This means, from the technical and commercial viewpoint, potentialities for future development and exploitation are as great or greater than the present electrical industry. When one considers that electromagnetism is basic to the telephone, telegraph, radio, television, radar, electric generators and motors, power production and distribution, and is an indispensable adjunct to transportation of all kinds, one can see that the possibility of a parallel, but different development in electrogravitation has almost unlimited prospects.

The antigravity effect of vertical thrust is demonstrated by balancing a condenser on a beam balance and then charging it. After charging, if the positive pole is pointed upward, the condenser moves up.
If the charge is reversed and the positive pole pointed downward, the condenser thrusts down. The experiment is conducted as shown here:





These two simple experiments demonstrate what is now known as the Biefeld-Brown effect. It is the first and, to the best of our knowledge, the only method of affecting a gravitational field by electrical means. It contains the seeds of control of gravity by man. The intensity of the effects is determined by five factors, which are:

1. The separation of the plates of the condenser, the closer the plates, the greater the effect.

2. The ability of the material between the plates to store the electrical energy in the form of elastic stress. A measure of this ability is called the "K" of the material. The higher the "K," the greater the Biefeld-Brown effect.

3. The area of the plates, the greater the area giving the greater effect.

4. The voltage difference between the plates; more voltage, more effect.

5. The mass of the material between the plates; the greater the mass [atomic mass], the greater the effect.

It is this fifth point which is inexplicable from the electromagnetic viewpoint and which provides the connection with gravitation.

The saucer’s edge would contain a number of conductor segments, and the saucer would turn in any direction simply by shifting the positive and negative charges to appropriate positions along its edge. The vertical thrust would be regulated by varying the charge on top of the saucer, the amount of thrust being regulated by the amount of charge generated.



In all probability, flying saucers do not utilize external controls for direction, nor do they have any visible means of propulsion. Flying saucers travel using the Biefeld-Brown electrogravitational effect, and hence do not utilize any of the standard aerodynamic principles of an airfoil. Flying saucers cannot be understood from the traditional principles of aeronautical engineering; however, the older points of view are useful for critical theoretical analysis and empirical testing.

Before UFO’s were ever seen and validly reported, Townsend Brown developed a captive flying saucer - a scale model saucer with a free bearing going around a stationary pole.

Brown did not start with round objects, in fact, the first object that he flew was a triangle, the next a square, then a square with the edges cut off, and finally a round shaped saucer.

Eventually, experiments proved the saucer shape most effective. Changes were made for empirical reasons.

The first report of a disc-shaped object in the sky dates back to the sixteenth century. At long intervals during the centuries since then have come other reports. Most of them are undoubtedly unreliable as observations, distorted by telling and retelling. But in these older reports, as well as in the very numerous series which has accumulated since 1947, there is a teasing common thread concerning appearance and behavior which makes any certainties about the unreality of flying saucers very insecure.

One of the great difficulties in substantiation of these reports is that, in both appearances and behavior, these objects seem to be simple scientific impossibilities. Here are some of the reasons advanced by technical men to prove the impossibility of devices such as the reports describe:

1. The reports reveal, in most cases, no method of propulsion which can be understood. There are no propellers in any of the reports. Some of the reports describe a long flame jet trailing behind a cigar shaped object. But this flame is orange-red in color, indicating an inefficient combustion which would make it ineffective as a reaction jet such as propels rockets and jet planes. No other known physical laws seemed capable of explaining the observed motion of the objects.

2. The reports describe a range of speed and acceleration from stationary hovering to speeds greater than present day rockets can deliver, and the changes of rate of motion, the accelerations, are far beyond the capacities of any known man-made vehicles. Flight experts point out that such accelerations would impose impossible stresses on any human or human like occupants. therefore, they say, the reports must be false or erroneous.

3. Many of the reports concern night sightings and describe a glow, usually of blue or violet color, around a periphery of the objects. Physicists have noted that such a glow is characteristic of a very high voltage electrical discharge, but add that this suggests no means of explaining the appearance or behavior of the objects described in the reports.

4. The description of shapes and performance seems to indicate a complete or almost complete disregard of aerodynamic principles. The objects seem not to need the support of air as a plane does, nor to depend on the lift provided by properly designed surfaces moved rapidly through an air medium.

These are weighty arguments PROVIDED THE ASSUMPTIONS BEHIND THEM ARE CORRECT. As I have previously indicated, the observed motion of a condenser has been labeled the Biefeld-Brown effect.

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Depending on many conditions (and "conditions" could be extremely different for them than they are for us) a spheroid or disc (or any of the other configurations people have supposedly seen over the years) might be the most efficient design for the mode of travel they are undergoing when they are visible to us.

Or perhaps they appear to us one way, but can change configurations entirely based on need, environment, acceleration, dimension, plane, etc.

Maybe they have advanced so far that they can not only travel vast distances through spacetime as we know it, but can extend their pressence into other modes of being. Maybe the "saucers" people tend to see are simply the form their vehicles take when they are confined to a strictly physical plane, because they are the most efficient or effective means of transport in our atmosphere or space.

Maybe their concepts of ship design (or even their perception of reality as we know it) differs sufficiently that what we regard as typical or necessary, they regard as excessive or inefficient. Just because advancement is possible, does not always mean it's desireable to pursue it (nuclear weapons for example).

Maybe they are so advanced that they don't think in terms of step A, step B, step C (biplane, rocket, ramjet, scramjet...) but rather in terms of "We need to accomplish this task, so this is the best way to do it, and we have no limitations with respect to how to implement it, so let's do it in the most efficient way possible."

Maybe it's an aesthetic principle, or a necessary biproduct of some inborn and unchangeable (or undesireable to change) part of how they live, like the uniform appearance some "abductees" report when describing their "visitors."

And who's to say the most common vessels reported are the ones most commonly in use?

The possibilities are endless.

The argument could be made that they have already discovered everything, didn't we once think the same thing?

the physics of the universe hasnt changed dramatically in the past 50 years, so there's no need to change plans.

If aliens did exist, the world hasnt changed much, at least not enough to warrant a new ship design.

or they're all hoaxes/fakes/misidentified thigns.

Aliens and UFO's are Gods technology. Surely you cant go past Gods technology. AND I HAVE PROOF TOO BUT YOU CANT HAVE IT MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

maybe they like the shape that ufos are so they dont change it or maybe you need that shape to travel at hyper space. they could have developed new technologhy that might be on the inside